[ReverendMaynard]

You're over-exaggerating nVidia's current situation WD. What happens when AMD has to recall the 5 series? They can't fix it through driver revisions so they just have to admit that there is a hardware fault. OEM system manufacturers are applying pressure because the return rate is massive. People who pay $3000 for a pre-built rig don't bench it where the 5 series shines, they game on it and surf the internet, where the 5 series fails. Don't believe everyone who makes cliff notes from FUD articles brother, what's happening in the real world get's twisted by that bag of douche.

[HITandRUN]

Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard

You're over-exaggerating nVidia's current situation WD. What happens when AMD has to recall the 5 series? They can't fix it through driver revisions so they just have to admit that there is a hardware fault. OEM system manufacturers are applying pressure because the return rate is massive. People who pay $3000 for a pre-built rig don't bench it where the 5 series shines, they game on it and surf the internet, where the 5 series fails. Don't believe everyone who makes cliff notes from FUD articles brother, what's happening in the real world get's twisted by that bag of douche.

Could not agree more! I mean sure they have had their share of issues etc. but I'm sure once this thing comes out it will shine. ATI got the go on the DX11 stuff but as you see they raced so had and got a product out which has fault + the drives always has been shitty as far as I'm concerned. I guess we will see in a few weeks what is going to happen.

[FACE]

Meh, driver-shmiver. Neither one of them write drivers worth a shit until the cards are old news. Bench your old 8 and 9 series nV rigs and you'll see what I mean.

[MaadDaawg]

Reminds of the days (long long ago in a galaxy far far away) when MS was battling to make Windows 3.0 the destop standard against IBM's OS2.

Win 3.0 suffured huge amounts of suckage cause it was released buggy as all hell in an unfortunatley successful attempt to win the market through sheer volume of sales by hype. Win 3.0 was a 16 bit DOS shell and was responsible for coining the phrase the blue screen of death (BSOD). Except in Win3's case, it was death, not an inconveniece. No protection from one program to another, they all shared one giant memory pool and if one died, everything died.

OS2 in contrast was a robust 32 bit operating system, superior in every way except for the marketing push that IBM never made. Since IBM held it until it was a viable product (V3 code named Warp) they were so far behind the market curve they could never catch up.

Meanwhile, MS introduced a less buggy Win 3.1 about 3 months later which let you almost work effieiently throughout the day with only a few BSODs.

The rest is history. Windows dominates, and OS2 is no where to be seen in the consumer market.

Hopefully, the same result is not repeated with the ATI substandard hardware just because it came out sooner.

Not that I'm an nVidia fan boy or anything lol nVidia products just seem to work with far less frustration

[Witchdoctor]

Doe no .......... my 5870 and 5850 work really good ....

I have heard nightmares about CF though .....

We feed that fire, as we all have bought the 5870 and many grabbed the 5970 as well and we will all prolly buy a 480 .....

So bringing product to market just makes good business sence even if it is not 100% ready to go, and untill we are ready to say stop!!! I will not buy this product untill it is ready for prime time, they will continue to do so.

But knowing the mantality of our team and others we will keep buying cutting edge tech and hope for the best ............

This marketing stratagy has really worked out well for Bill

[Cecil]

Im expecting a launch similar to the GTX-280. Everyone expected it to be the new 8800GTX, and was let down because it wasnt much better then the 9800GX2. But if you look now all those people have forgotten about the reviews and went ahead and bought one.

Im sure its going to be a beastly card, I just dont think its going to overtake the 5870 by much. Same way the 280 was only a little better then the 4870.

AMD will launch an updated 5870 soon after, and Nvidia will have a cooler running refresh of GTX-485 a couple months after launch. Seems like they are just doing "rinse and repeat" a lot lately.

[Buckeye]

Originally Posted by Cecil

Im expecting a launch similar to the GTX-280. Everyone expected it to be the new 8800GTX, and was let down because it wasnt much better then the 9800GX2. But if you look now all those people have forgotten about the reviews and went ahead and bought one.

Im sure its going to be a beastly card, I just dont think its going to overtake the 5870 by much. Same way the 280 was only a little better then the 4870.

AMD will launch an updated 5870 soon after, and Nvidia will have a cooler running refresh of GTX-485 a couple months after launch. Seems like they are just doing "rinse and repeat" a lot lately.

I think Cecil is correct here.

In addition I think the availability of these cards is not going to be that great resulting in higher prices.

I spotted this over on XS, go figure, no way to tell what is correct until release in a few weeks.

[HITandRUN]

Originally Posted by Buckeye

I think Cecil is correct here.

In addition I think the availability of these cards is not going to be that great resulting in higher prices.

I spotted this over on XS, go figure, no way to tell what is correct until release in a few weeks.

Hum CPU speed is very low and I wonder if this is crippling both GPUs. These results are very close.

[Witchdoctor]

Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard

You're over-exaggerating nVidia's current situation WD. What happens when AMD has to recall the 5 series? They can't fix it through driver revisions so they just have to admit that there is a hardware fault. OEM system manufacturers are applying pressure because the return rate is massive. People who pay $3000 for a pre-built rig don't bench it where the 5 series shines, they game on it and surf the internet, where the 5 series fails. Don't believe everyone who makes cliff notes from FUD articles brother, what's happening in the real world get's twisted by that bag of douche.

Wow I had no idea it was so wide spread. I though the only catostophic failures were from benchers. I will have to read up a bit so I know the skinny on this shit ......

At any rate lets hope nV delivers big and we all can put the 5 series behind us.

One thing for sure if the 5 series turns out to be a finacial fail for AMD it could mean trouble for the underdog chip maker.