[Cecil]

I dont mind ES chips. Most wont OC as much as some retail anyway. And if they were banned, then you would just hear people complain about cherry chips. ES chips and retail chips are almost the same, they dont make one better then the other on purpose. Thats why they have to test through a bunch of them to find the cherries. Just cause its an ES means nothing.

My D0 is a fairly good chip. My E8500 is the best Ive seen. D0 got 4.8HT with water, and E8500 does 4.2Ghz with stock voltages. Neither are ES, but both are better then some ES chips.

The one thing I think should be in a different catagory is multi CPU systems. People going to work and running wprime on their companies $35k server is rediculous. If you dont buy it, or it does not belong to you, you should not be allowed to test it.

And for cooling, all they have to do is require realtemp be in the screen shot to determin if you are using air/water or extreme. Should seperate them by -+0C. Anything 0C or under is extreme, anything over goes in normal section.