[Chuchnit]

Originally Posted by Kal-EL

Burp!

yah man, poll sucks.

We have until December to reach our goal of Top 5 Teams in the ranking. Come January, our goal will be forum with the most amount of benchmark threads and contests with prizes

Well with my life right now I don't know how much I can participate, but if I see just a little crack of light to get some hardware, I will buy it and bench the piss out of it for the team. If not, 2011 is possibly looking like it will be my year.

[dread77]

Trying to put some sense to those Bot guys is a major waste of time. They never listen... It's their way or the highway... If you have a different oppinion than theirs, you are either gonna get ignored or mocked like a 5 year old child...
If they are "told" to go on with Rev.4, they will no matter what... So don't bother.
I think the team is pretty strong and will come up with all needed points.

Regarding those rumors Chuchnit mentioned... I was not in the team just a few hours ago, so I can tell you for sure that I never heard a bad comment regarding OCA.
it's just that, after the last revision, all top teams are pretty close in rankings, so nobody wants to lose his position by an underdog.
OCA is just 3,000 points away from AF, can you imagine what will happen if we go over them???

[Kal-EL]

If any version of Rev. 4 is implemented, you can count on Team Pure staying in the #1 spot indefinitely. They have the most benchers in the top 5 and these revisions take the best score from each hardware category/benchmark from the team. Effectually, it solidifies the heavily seeded and manuf supported overclockers into the top of the rankings.

The paradigm will shift forcefully and Team Rankings will mirror the Overclocker's League completely. If you're not in the "in" crowd, your out.

Previously, there was balance where even if a bunch of top notch overclockers like Team PURE rallied together to form a smoking hot team, another team could make a go of it with numerous mid to low range overclockers, or a team such as ours with an entire range of dedicated overclockers.

[Hondacity]

ok..so we vote...on the pole....or poll..lol...

what do i choose? or what do we as oca choose?

[DrNip]

WFT does option #6

... oh, and also, I don't like changes

mean? I can't help but feel this is massman's way of being slick or having some hidden meaning in it. Could have just said I don't agree or something of that nature. I would vote #6 but can't because of this.

[Kal-EL]

Originally Posted by Hondacity

ok..so we vote...on the pole....or poll..lol...

what do i choose? or what do we as oca choose?

Originally Posted by dread77

Trying to put some sense to those Bot guys is a major waste of time. They never listen... It's their way or the highway... If you have a different oppinion than theirs, you are either gonna get ignored or mocked like a 5 year old child...
If they are "told" to go on with Rev.4, they will no matter what... So don't bother.
I think the team is pretty strong and will come up with all needed points.

Right now the only vote I'm comfortable with casting is "oh, and also, I don't like changes". Since this poll doesnt show a hint of Hwbot relenting their proposed changes, its pretty much a dead poll. If they were open to not killing the Team Rankings, there would be a clear option to vote for "NO CHANGES".


Team PURE has some of the best overclockers and some of the best manuf supported overclockers in the business. Lets put them aside for a second because these proposals are not about "Team" anymore.

Lets instead take someone like Hicookie or Hipro or even Andre for that matter. Any one of these three at any given time can take every world record in every hardware category. What use do they have for the 400, 200, 100, 49 other members on their team? NONE! Hwbot feels this is good "Team Spirit"

Now lets take an average Joe and then a team of 400 average joes, not mid-rangers or upper enders, just your average joe overclocker. Put him and just for exaggeration sake 1000 average joe overclockers on the same team and have them compete against one Hicookie. Do the odds get better? Nope. Nothing against great overclockers with great manufacturer backing, but this scenario is a fruitless endeaver for 1001 overclockers.

Whats that you say? You say "But I'm confident in my growing skills and potential as an emerging GREAT overclocker". Well, I got news for you buddy, bring back another Fermi Fiasco where only 3 approved NDA overclockers recieve vital Cold Slow, Cold Boot Bug information and you can kiss your hopes, dreams and aspirations bye bye.

Its a rough go of it. Just like our buddy dread has pointed out, and as most of us have observed, hwbot has a deaf ear towards the members who don't blindly agree to their plans. WE've had a tremendous showing against this Revision by the community, the largest I've seen to date. What does hwbot do about it? Post up a poll asking you which Revision or Revision 4 will you accept? Heck, just about every revision up there is still Rev 4 or a baby step towards Rev 4.

Somebody please point out a flaw in my thinking in regards to what I percieve Rev 4 to be. I may be looking at it all wrong.

[karmakazi]

If they do the best submission only, I guarantee you PURE will split into 2-3 man teams and create PURE#1-#10 and no one else will even enter top10. I think it would be both fitting and hilarious if that happened (not to mention probably the end of hwbot as any serious competition platform).

[Splave]

I dont think hwbot should ever change again, every revision makes it weaker and weaker. Whens the last bowling changed its rules

They claim its to cut teams costs and sharing but the teams this would benefit the most are getting the manufacturer support.

[karmakazi]

I agree the current setup is as close to perfect as it could be... I even like it as much as rev2

[FACE]

Originally Posted by Kal-EL

Stuff Kal said.

Preach it, brotha!