[Splave]

I can see that side as well karma, just dot complain is the only thing. Some have it so good and they act like its such a chore. I think about some guys here like witchdoctor that cant afford the gear but try so damn hard to do the best they can with what they have never complain once and just roll with it. To complain while sitting on the thrown makes me sick is all.

[Neuromancer]

Originally Posted by Jor-El

Thanks guys all that made me see the real ugly truth underneath a sport that I take as a pleasant hobby. Funny thing is I used those same exact lines on some other results for a while and nobody felt bothered until I hit the big globals.

You all know how hard is to complete against 10-15 tray cherry picked cpu's, special edition psu's, golden vga card samples, etc. I don't need to say that out loud but I needed to make a statement on how proud I am of making it happen for the underdogs.

All that BS made me put my game face on and go after all the freaking 1st places I can take...

So it's all good

You got my support, even though I disagree with you about posting HW info

If no one posted HW info at the bot I would not know that a little mod on a Foxconn Bloodrage (~$200 shipped used) could compete with the much more expensive classifieds. (Will be testing this out myself soon enough : ))

I like Splave's comment "Retail Army FTW!" and think that sponsored HW, should include an asterisk at the bot.

[Neuromancer]

Originally Posted by karmakazi

Does getting some free gear help? Sure, but they have put in years of work to get where they are. They didnt just get intel/company X to throw hardware at them by doing nothing.

Yup. The whole post was true, but I think this is the most important part of it.

Nothing in life is free. You work hard spend a lot of money to get your name respected enough to get the free stuff. (well not always, but usually)

I do not poop on the free stuff getting guys. But I can understand why some do. The important thing is that most of those guys share the knowledge they gained over processing large numbers of chips More important than any "review" they do give. (Let's face it most of them suck at reviews anyway but are great at getting every last bit of performance out of them)

[Jor-El]

Next time I will list my hardware:

Motherboard: open box evga p55 classy ($200);
Ram: 2 year old used G.Skill PS 3x1Gb ($130);
CPU: 2 x ES I5 670 ($190) from a friend that travels back and forth from Asia.

[Gutterz]

Good Job! Only issue I see is that he benches for XS lol

[Neuromancer]

Originally Posted by Jor-El

Next time I will list my hardware:

Motherboard: open box evga p55 classy ($200);
Ram: 2 year old used G.Skill PS 3x1Gb ($130);
CPU: 2 x ES I5 670 ($190) from a friend that travels back and forth from Asia.

hah hah sweet!

Originally Posted by Gutterz

Good Job! Only issue I see is that he benches for XS lol

LMAO. He's not only a XSteam benching member he is also their boint leader now!

[Chuchnit]

Originally Posted by karmakazi

Well for every gulftown they get for free they have to spend HOURS reviewing, testing, writing about what we would consider "crap" hardware (like 1600mhz 8-8-8 ram kits). I see both sides of the coin here and im not taking sides. Do try to see it from their perspective. Yes they get some free hardware, but also yes everyone dumps on them for it. Trust me all the guys in Pure spend tons of their own dough for their hardware. Even vince spends his own cash on some gear.

Does getting some free gear help? Sure, but they have put in years of work to get where they are. They didnt just get intel/company X to throw hardware at them by doing nothing. They all started out where all of us unsponsored people are now. They just got in earlier, and pushed it hard for a long time until they were noticed. And then people dump on them b/c they get some bits for free. Well they also do hella amount of testing beta bios etc for improved efficiency and working out bugs, which ALL of us get the benefits from.

Perhaps some of the responses were a bit caustic, but this is far from the first time people have raised the sponsored/ES/pre release/blah blah blah argument. Im sure theyre just tired of hearing it is all...


Edit: and as I also said over at KPC, great results Jor, I hope you get the 2:8 sorted (try more VTT?).

Edit#2: 90% of the samples these guys get are duds/average also. Brian had to buy a whole slew of 5870 to finally get one that did great clocks. People see the great results and instantly think "golden vga" "handpicked from a tray of cpus" but in most cases that is NOT how it works.

Karma, the problem is the elitist bastard attitudes that some portray. Everybody knows that the big dogs followed the same route as everyone to get where they are, but its the bullshit "I'm better than everybody, and who are you to question me" attitude that turns me off. I mean there are some generally nice guys in there giving shit about what he chooses to put in his submissions? Gimme a break. You can't defend that sour puss attitude.

I don't care who is sponsered. It's a great thing, but to act like "working" at your hobby/passion is so exhausting and we just don't know how hard it is. *yawn*

Sponsers are great, and I hope to see a few of these guys who bust their balls pick some up one day, but I sure hope they humble themselves and remember where they came from.

[Gutterz]

You should have just said all hardware was bought used off Ebay. Sponsors by ebay bucks an bing cash.

[Chuchnit]

You know what, this really has me heated. The clowns are supposed to be the ambassadors of the sport. If perception is reality then this "sport" is for the birds if I was just learning about this. I am totally shocked by the response of some of these guys. Some not so much because they always portray their "better than thow" attitude. Ok, well one of them. God forbid, in any other sport, the manufacturers catch their sponsered athletes give this kind of attitude. They would either take a pay cut or a hike; most likely the latter.

Like Kal says, "Foster the Fever" That's what all these guys should be doing. Get as many people into the sport as possible. That requires a good attitude though.

[punx223]

wow.... what a fail thread.... i mean alot of people got their panties in a bunch.... hell alot of friends of mine in there... tbh im quite disappointed in the way that thread turned...


good job bro, and congrats awesome results.