[Deux]

Originally Posted by Neuromancer

Got bumped down to third here

5.9 points for 3rd place 1. something for second.

Thought it might have something to do with globals, but 3rd place was submitted 3 days after 2nd place.

That's because the 2nd place user has a higher PCM05 score that he gets global points for while 3rd place's score is his highest overall in addition to being second.

You only get global points for your highest score in a category.

[Neuromancer]

Oh. That makes sense then

[DrNip]

Here was my latest post over there. Dunna if it makes sense to anywone else but it does to me.

I'm not trying to veer off course but the suggestion of increasing the hardware points is something I always pondered on too. I never understood why there was only a limit of 300 points. That could be a way to combat the situation as many of overclockers have older hardware that doesn't gain them any global points but have reached their 300 point hardware point ceiling. I say why have a ceiling? You don't have one on global points. That might be a little bit of influence on people breaking back out all the old hardware they have which in return equals more participation.

[Mr.Scott]

Makes perfect sense to us at CP. We approve.

[Neuromancer]

Makes sense to me as well. I did not even know there was a 300 point limit. I saw the formula with /300 in it but never knew why. Guess I know now

[Bones]

I also approve.

No point for some to continue if you don't have deep pockets to keep up with the rich kids or have sponsors throwing hardware at you. I don't see the logic in limiting hardware points. If you earn the points, they should count - Period.

Some of the best OC'ers out there didn't start off with such advantages and this will give them a chance to really prove what they can do while giving them incentive to do so.

[Kal-EL]

There are chaps who have benched multitudes of obscurely benched hardware and gained a shitload of 2 pointers over a period of time. Heck, I've done it as well. I benched my old laptop that is completely un-overclockable, yet I got almost 15 points off that one laptop. Honestly, not an overclocking fete by any measure.

The obscurely benched hardware points are not UN-deserved but you have the tortoise and the hair scenario here. Those that stick in it longer and accumulate thousands of hwbot hardware boints over a few years will be unreachable by the new guy who just disovered computers and overclocking but has purchased current gen tech.

There needs to be a clearer dilineation between the rat race and the horse race. An uncapped hardware points will continue to grow over time, hopefully like my retirement contributions, while global points remain at a constant range. Eventually the 2 point whore will surpass the maximum points attainable by the global guy.

Joe BLOWZ buys his first rig ever. He's a young fella, not much money but he's invested in the latest and greatest parts to the best of his budget. He researches and learns about overclocking and takes the dive. Turns out he has some skill and breaks a few world records and scores highly amongst the latest entries at the bot. Poor Joe BLOW is pitted against Manuel GEEZER who's picked up every lil bit of hardware he can find since WWI. Misuer GEEZER has 2000 Hardware points but his fastest Aquamark time is 3000 and his faster SuperPI is a day long.

How in the heck is BLOWZ GEEZER in the same category? If you look at it, it JUST LOOKS WRONG!

We all love points but if you have no cap on hardware points, the attrition rate of newcomers will increase and you will essentially have no new blood entering the mix. We don't want this.

[RomDominance]

Supes, my friend, I couldn't have said it better....nicely done. There are guys around the world with more hw points than our whole teams have. Why on earth would we bench if there wasn't a limit on these points?

Although many of us at NBOC feel that CP is in a different category all together, running them down has been a great motivator for us as well as for CP.

The empire will never bow out of a fight with the federation...never. We will find a cure for your evergrowing space mold style of benching if it kills us!

Rock on global brothers @ OCA and NBOC!

[Buckeye]

Originally Posted by Kal-EL

We all love points but if you have no cap on hardware points, the attrition rate of newcomers will increase and you will essentially have no new blood entering the mix. We don't want this.

That makes perfict sense to me and I am all for that, thanks Kal.

Now let me tell you about another story, lets call him Jack

Jack starts looking at websites one day and discovers Over Clocking, and then Extreme Over Clocking. Jack plays around with this for awhile and sees that he likes what he can do, tho not great by anymeans, but improving.

Soon Jack becomes a member of different sites and learns about HWBOT and jumps right in. Buying at the time some really cool stuff and getting all geared up Jack drives his rig hard.

What do you know with the best he can do he can hardly make it into the top 10, most of the time wat below that.

Lets see same CPU, GPU's etc and cant even get a point... scratches his head on that one as the OC's he see's from others just blow him away on the same chip.

Well Jack just figures that the other are simply much better than him... at first...

Later Jack digs deeper and sees that there are many different types of the same chip, from batch numbers and then.... whats this ES stuff...

Much later Jack discovers just what ES chips are and how they are entered into the BOT. Jack is told on some websites that ES chips are usually not good Over Clockers... yet they hold so many high positions how could they be bad clockers ???

later again manufactured binned chips are exposed that do really good over clocks and are handed out to special people, some of these are hard to figure out what they are... until you talk with the people in the know and see them being passed around and showing up in contests.

The ones defending the use of ES chips and other types are the ones that use them, the higher ups in the OC world because in some ways it makes them what they are. Perhaps sometimes being used by the manufactures themselves as marketing ploys.

Mean while Jack keeps throwing his head against a brick wall, but on ocasion can do pretty darn good with a retail chip, but not for long until his good scores are beaten down by these special chips and the people who use them.

.....

That is a little short story there that has a lot of truth to it. This is what happens to the new blood entering the mix, some give up, some go if you can't beat them, then join them.

Some only have the old stuff to work with, then find themselves limited at how far they can go, but are really good.

Working hard at this they might make some kind of name for themselves and then the one day a sponsor gives them a break and they are faced with a decision. Do I use this new chance to become something I cannot stand, or just go screw it all and join the beast knowing how hard it has beeen to over come this.

A name can still be made by using a little check box, your score will still show up and ranked, you just do not get points.

Some spend there own money to get a simple number, while other scrap up every bit of hardware from the junk pile and get the 2 points.

Some refuse to play the game because of its non level playing field that is a fixed game from the get go and simply do what they love to do, over clock computers as best as they can, no matter what kind they are.

Some of the best Over Clockers I know do not use the bot, and if they do its only with retail chips.

[Kal-EL]

Heres what a newcomer has to contend with on the Hardware Masters side of things. If anyone wants to talk about a shitload of money, you'll find no shortage of cost in these ranks, Kingpin himself has 600 hw boints:
http://hwbot.org/hardware.masters.do