[CORE i7]Overclockaholics Super_PI_Mod_v1.6_32M LCC "Official Discussion" - Page 9

karmakazi · #1 07-28-2009

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Originally Posted by Chuchnit

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Gents, lets keep it clean and to the facts. If you have proof for the pudding then post it up. No need to start getting personal. Consider this a warning for no further attacks.

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Karmakazi, we are all about sharing information around here. If you got something you want to share, then share away

Maybe we need to start a thread to do some real performance evaluation between the two OS's? Of course you have to compare with proper tweaks applied; not fresh full install to fresh full install.

Sorry, you have my apologies. I like this forum alot, and if PURE hadnt formed I was pretty close to asking Kal if I could join hwbot team etc...

I am all for the sharing of information myself, but to ask someone to give away literally hundreds of hours of painstaking and boring testing... Superpi isnt a big secret like some ppl make it out to be. All the needed tweaks are out there, you just have to look, learn and most important test them. I learned more about superpi from testing and running 32M 150 times (for all the testing I did it was at least that many) than I learned from reading all the forums I did (english, french, russian, dutch, german, italian, chinese, japanese, etc).

I would be willing to help with any OS testing you guys want to do. For testing OS I would recommend only using LSC, copywaza and maxmem tweaks. Many XP reg tweaks dont work/arent effective on vista and 7.

Chuchnit · #2 07-28-2009

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Originally Posted by karmakazi

Sorry, you have my apologies. I like this forum alot, and if PURE hadnt formed I was pretty close to asking Kal if I could join hwbot team etc...

I am all for the sharing of information myself, but to ask someone to give away literally hundreds of hours of painstaking and boring testing... Superpi isnt a big secret like some ppl make it out to be. All the needed tweaks are out there, you just have to look, learn and most important test them. I learned more about superpi from testing and running 32M 150 times (for all the testing I did it was at least that many) than I learned from reading all the forums I did (english, french, russian, dutch, german, italian, chinese, japanese, etc).

I would be willing to help with any OS testing you guys want to do. For testing OS I would recommend only using LSC, copywaza and maxmem tweaks. Many XP reg tweaks dont work/arent effective on vista and 7.

karma, I wasn't asking you to hand them out bud. I was just throwing the offer out there. Everybody has there view on tweaks and have every right to keep them to themselves if they wish. Just wanna make that clear.

DrNip · #3 07-28-2009

I will release my tweaks after the competition. Pretty much I am only doing 5 tweaks. Only one of them is a registry tweak.

karmakazi · #4 07-28-2009

OK so because I did the leg work (at least 300+ hours reading crappy google translations, and another 100+ hours testing) I should just give it to you ? NONE of my tweaks are "secrets" they can ALL be found PUBLICALLY on the internet. I wasnt refering to you being arrogant, your a cool person from what Ive seen you post here and @ XS, I was referring to reverend. Maybe I will give some out AFTER the 32M comp publically. Otherwise you can speak to me on MSN if you want to know something more.

Im a levelheaded and nice person, totally willing to help people. But I will stand up for what I know to be right also.

dinos22 · #5 07-28-2009

lol amusing discussion here
i'm really enjoying the "experts" at work LOL

btw karma it's nice to know that you would have left us for another team as well had you not been invited to PURE....what did we do to you :(

DrNip · #6 07-28-2009

OK here we go. Some what of a comparison. Really my Windows 7 has a big disadvantage here as I am using a slimmed and trimmed nlite version of XP that has all the BS out of it where as I am using a fully loaded Windows 7. Also I was not able to use two of my tweaks on my Windows 7. One of them being Copy Waza as I don't have a partition on this drive and can't set it up the way I want to. That needed to be done on the install. The other tweak I'm not able to disclose right now. Whether that tweak actually has any real world performance, I can't say 100%. I have seen people rave about it but need to do some tests after the competition. Also this Windows 7 has been installed for months now where as my XP is a fresh install as of last week. I used the other three remaining tweaks on this run but whether they have the same effect as they did on XP I dunno as I haven't fully tested them. I think my score prolly would have been at least 3-5sec faster with the other 2 tweaks. There might also be tweaks that I dismissed on my XP install that didn't give me any gains that might of on my Windows 7. Along side my testing of my tweak that I can't reveal I will also do a standard XP and standard Winwos 7 test. Both will be full blown, bloated up installs with no tweaks what so ever to see what the real difference is between the two. I still have my money on XP in the end being faster. Enough of the talk. Here is my disadvatage Windows 7 run with 3 of the 5 tweaks I used on my XP run.

karmakazi · #7 07-28-2009

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Originally Posted by dinos22

lol amusing discussion here
i'm really enjoying the "experts" at work LOL

btw karma it's nice to know that you would have left us for another team as well had you not been invited to PURE....what did we do to you :(

Dinos its really nothing against you guys please believe me. You, James, George, Kosta, Gino, etc are all great ppl and I still consider you friends (hope its mutual). My decision was based on the fact that I want to advance past an "amateur" level. With i4, all the sponsorship goes to Team AU (rightfully so you guys rock and totally deserve it). I dont have much of a chance to be noticed by manufacturers being an American benching for an Australian team. I tried to first get around that by creating the Uberclocker OC Team, and bringing together some other North American members. I still couldnt get any interest, and I was actually asked by a Kingston rep why I was benching for an .AU team if I want sponsorship from US companies. Now I know your gonna say its going to be even harder to get noticed on a dream team with big names. I see it that way to a degree but also see it as a way to network and possibly make some good contacts. Basically this "hobby" is outgrowing my wallet and if I cant find some support somewhere, im going to have to cash in my chips. This economy has hurt my ebay business quite a lot tbh. Which by proxy means I dont sell as much hardware > less toys to bench with for "free." I really hope you understand where Im coming from. I wish i4 and Team AU nothing but the best. I would do anything I can to help you guys out.

Expect some points soon from my brother ILL-LOGIC hes going to have a bench session with me soon. Should be good for at least a 100 points as he is weak in many benches. Even though hes a lurker (works like crazy and plays games rather than browses forums) he wants to bench hard for you guys. And I willc ertainly help him in all ways possible...

Get me on MSN man YGPM

Splave · #8 07-28-2009

ahh I see that does make sense

thanks for clearing that up karma

DrNip · #9 07-28-2009

I will clear this all up guys when I get home. I will run the same settings and same 5 tweaks on my Windows 7 HDD. My bet is on my XP install.

3oh6 · #10 07-28-2009

i am going to chime in here with my thoughts as i would fall under the 'pro's' category still using XP. i too believe XP is faster in SPi 32M, with that said, i haven't spent a significant time tweaking W7...actually couldn't say i ran 32M on W7 ever. i have never seen anything to contradict this either.

for you guys getting lower times in W7, can you run your best most tweaked run at 4GHz - 1000MHz 7-7-6 or 7-8-7 even - 4GHz uncore? possibly on a Classified? just for a reference time as there is a ton of data at 4GHz. the average is around 8m 44s for a well tweaked XP on Classified. a screen with CPU Tweaker for memory sub-timings would be great for comparison purposes. different motherboards are going to give different results, RTL/B2B CL/etc... all get set differently by different boards...but from another board would be fine as well.

any other W7 screens at 5GHz or higher would be great as well if you have them so i can compare to my slew of XP work. again Classy would be great but on any MB would do. unfortunately i am not at home right now so i can't partake in any direct comparisons at this time, just able to compare to screenshots i happen to have access to.