Bulldozer overclocking no longer a doubt - Page 2

Neuromancer · #1 09-13-2011

Its okay Shannon AMD bashing is allowed, we aint some Nazi site. I am a HUGE AMD proponent though so if I get fiesty and rip your asshole, just tell me to calm down

lol

I do agree with the per clock comments in all honesty, Intel excels at 16bit instructions, AMD cant match it. Superpi, pifast, Wprime, even some "modern" benchmarks still use 16bit instructions. But SOOO many apps people use are still old code.

Intel has absorbed the same thing that AMD has known for a while.. GPU processing make CPU better. problem is, gpu processing still sucks by and large. Except in specific tasks can parallel processing be used. there is a reason CPUs and different than GPUs. GPUs suck at doing multiple things. Whats the new word for it? Out of Order processing?

AMD makes a damn fine setup for your money. Gotta remember that except for some flagship stuff and some overpriced stuff, you can get a pretty feature packed motherboard for about half what the intel version costs. Oh, and you got SLI licensing on AMD now too.. so that argument is out hte window.

AVX is meh... At 1080p to 720P AVX was 20% faster than CPU only handbrake encoding. Of course handbrake made a file half the size. When it came to 1080P to Ipod, handbrake was 20% faster and was 20% larger filesize.

FYI: The thuban 6 core is slower than a 2600K in many multi threaded tests. Still faster than a 2500K.

I am cool with the "Intel has more performance" crown based on HWbot benchmarks. Course they are old. Some a decade so. Realworld tests are far different. Some show an Intel lead. (differnce of 100-120FPS in some games at 10 year old resolutions like 1024-768)

punx223 · #2 09-13-2011

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Originally Posted by Neuromancer

Its okay Shannon AMD bashing is allowed, we aint some Nazi site. I am a HUGE AMD proponent though so if I get fiesty and rip your asshole, just tell me to calm down

lol

I do agree with the per clock comments in all honesty, Intel excels at 16bit instructions, AMD cant match it. Superpi, pifast, Wprime, even some "modern" benchmarks still use 16bit instructions. But SOOO many apps people use are still old code.

Intel has absorbed the same thing that AMD has known for a while.. GPU processing make CPU better. problem is, gpu processing still sucks by and large. Except in specific tasks can parallel processing be used. there is a reason CPUs and different than GPUs. GPUs suck at doing multiple things. Whats the new word for it? Out of Order processing?

AMD makes a damn fine setup for your money. Gotta remember that except for some flagship stuff and some overpriced stuff, you can get a pretty feature packed motherboard for about half what the intel version costs. Oh, and you got SLI licensing on AMD now too.. so that argument is out hte window.

FYI.. AVX is meh... At 1080p to 720P AVX was 20% faster than CPU only handbrake encoding. Of course handbrake made a file half the size. When it came to 1080P to Ipod, handbrake was 20% faster and was 20% larger filesize. Hmmm

FYI: The thuban 6 core is slower than a 2600K in many multi threaded tests. Still faster than a 2500K.

Thanks dude,

And like I said I have always felt that in gaming for some reason AMD has always been smoother... but then again we are on Overclockaholics here, and honestly we overclock and run benchmarks... (recently I tend to game alot too) but all in all I was hoping for something taht would match or possibly beat at least what was out now especially being 8 physical cores instead of 4 hyperthreaded ones.

hell I was a HUGE AMd porponent when I had my older FX chips but after trhat they kinda faded in my eyes as efficiency gre with intel and AMD for some reason didnt follow suit...

btw LOL @ the GPU out of order processing :p

Neuromancer · #3 09-13-2011

I do not consider the new "8 core" cpus to be true 8 cores since they share resources with another core. Its more like super hyper-threading. But get poopooed when I bring that up

FYI: I got new love for AMD after playing with a thuban and a 990FX setup.

ohh. that reminds me gotta see if I can pull 16'20 on the Sabretooth. Ud5 is a solid clocker man, bred for clocking, and demands to be frozen, unfortunately gigabyte forgot their roots and priced it like it was a full featured ASUS board. (It has no features, no accessories, but a hell of a power train and cost 2 bills)

Ohh and the UD7 apparently uses the same VRM controller which from google, some chinese dude says is a 10phase controller. As far as I can tell based on intersil spec sheets (no infor on actual chip) is a 6 phases paralell controller, 4 for the 8 cpu phases, 1 for the 2 NB phases and 1 for I forget lol... memory I guess, thats always my failing

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ISL6330 GCRZ

punx223 · #4 09-13-2011

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Originally Posted by Neuromancer

I do not consider the new "8 core" cpus to be true 8 cores since they share resources with another core. Its more like super hyper-threading. But get poopooed when I bring that up

FYI: I got new love for AMD after playing with a thuban and a 990FX setup.

ohh. that reminds me gotta see if I can pull 16'20 on the Sabretooth. Ud5 is a solid clocker man, bred for clocking, and demands to be frozen, unfortunately gigabyte forgot their roots and priced it like it was a full featured ASUS board. (It has no features, no accessories, but a hell of a power train and cost 2 bills)

Ohh and the UD7 apparently uses the same VRM controller which from google, some chinese dude says is a 10phase controller. As far as I can tell based on intersil spec sheets (no infor on actual chip) is a 6 phases paralell controller, 4 for the 8 cpu phases, 1 for the 2 NB phases and 1 for I forget lol... memory I guess, thats always my failing

)

ISL6330 GCRZ

Sounds killer

lets see what you can do on that thing man.

Neuromancer · #5 09-13-2011

I will be lucky enough to afford one of the cheap quads that is locked. Or was that intel?

Most DDR3 boards seem to hit a 310 ish HTREF wall, even under extreme conditions. So no records from me, hell i do not have the time to bench what I got in front of me :( I should be kicked off the team.

ud5 hit 311 on air, went for 315 and crashed. Sold it already though as I needed smoke money.

DrNip · #6 09-13-2011

Might be slower than Intel in many of benches but something about 8ghz sounds like fun to me.

Witchdoctor · #7 09-13-2011

I have been looking at 990FX, looks like fun to me as well ..............

and a ROG board for 220 bucks = WIN

Neuromancer · #8 09-13-2011

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Originally Posted by Witchdoctor

I have been looking at 990FX, looks like fun to me as well ..............

and a ROG board for 220 bucks = WIN

I dont normally recommend, but if you can get a gigabutt board like the ud5 for cheap do so. its to pricey at retail cost... (2 bills on newegg) but at 40 lower.. the power train is excellent.

Intersil PWM controller, Vishay/silconix MOSFETs, nichicon/Fujitsu solid caps and for hte p-fets, niko semis all around.

Only issue I can see, and its not written.. I cant find a data sheet on the intersil... is it might be a 0-70C temp range based on its GCRZ controller, the AIRCZ ones are rated to -40. And that close to the CPU... might be an issue.

Neuromancer · #9 09-13-2011

Leave 10 year old benches to Intel

Leave modern benches to 8 Ghz 8 cores w00t w00t

Kal-EL · #10 09-13-2011

Great if you're an LHe accessible oc enthusiast, sad if using Ln2 you can only pull off 6.5ghz. The great thing about the cedar's was Ln2 kept it cool.

Regardless, new tech is always fun tech

especially when it be cheapah.