[Neuromancer]

Originally Posted by Chuchnit

Well isn't Llano and BD two different architectures? I mean bulldozer has no iGPU so they can't play the same game they are with Llano and the new E350 "brazos??" that just launched. It will have to perform all on it's own.

I totally understand where you are coming from about the benchmarks and whatnot, but what stops me from considering AMD for a daily rig is the actual game benchmarks. There are several games where AMD is 10, 20 or more FPS behind any Intel CPU whether it be 1366, 1155, or 1156. Sure you still have plenty of FPS to play with and still maintain good frame rates, but what about games a year and a half from now?

Personally I hope they hit a homerun. Sadly Kal is probably right when he says it will just get them one cycle closer to matching Intel. Maybe they'll catch up on the BD refresh.

That may all be true. But AMD also makes GPUs, in fact that is its strength so I expect Bulldozer will be introduced with some new drivers for GPUs that make the process more like the Llano/Brazos series.

My gamer is a athlon II x2 240 @ 3.5GHz on stock cooler (35C load playing black ops, idles in the mid 20s). And a stock 6850. Monitor is 1920x1200. Although usually it powers dual 1680x1050s with one in Portrait for web pages. (something for some reason, nVidia still can't do smoothly get lots of flickering, flashing and usually a black 2nd screen when I try it on the 580)