[RomDominance]

I disagree Chuch. Its really quite simple to fix. If a component is not available on the retail market, it has no place scoring boints. In regards to multi cpu platforms, simply divide them into a seperate class, end of arguement. I don't see an answer for the cooling debate though.

[Chuchnit]

Originally Posted by RomDominance

I disagree Chuch. Its really quite simple to fix. If a component is not available on the retail market, it has no place scoring boints. In regards to multi cpu platforms, simply divide them into a seperate class, end of arguement. I don't see an answer for the cooling debate though.

Rom, my point is this. So lets say that hwbot bans the use of ES cpu's. Now everybody says oooh....aaahhh the playing field is level now. No it isn't. Intel, AMD/ATI, and Nvidia rely on the results of their hardware to make money. They WILL still sponser people and WILL give them top notch gear. Did you not see the cpuz screenies from when K|ngp|n benched at AMD headquarters? None of those chips said ES. Luckily AMD, Vince, gomeler, and chew* were honest enough to admit these were handpicked retails. You won't always be so lucky.

Why would AMD or Intel not secretly hand out cpu's that are so leaky they can't make it to retail to someone. If they break a record, it boost their sales. I got alot to say about this and not enough time to type it. Will devulge laterz....

[Buckeye]

I don't think it's so much of a level playing field issue with ES to me.

It's the fact that they are illegal to sell and in fact cannot not be sold on many websites like XS. There is a NDA that goes along with Intel sending these chips out to manufactures and others and it has been know for a long time that it is illegal to sell them.

Buy allowing them to be used on HWBOT supports a black market of the sale of these chips.

I made a few posts on HWBOT about this then just left it alone as I will most likely do here, it's just not worth the internet battle to me about this so I can get a few points on HWBOT and put money into some ones pocket selling these chips illegally.

[3oh6]

Originally Posted by Buckeye

Buy allowing them to be used on HWBOT supports a black market of the sale of these chips.

i understand what you are saying Bill, but my results with the 975ES are 100% legal. i obtained the chip from Intel, i am under NDA, and i haven't broken any aspects of NDA. in this case, allowing an ES is not facilitating the sale of ES.

with that said, i know my case is in the minority and not the majority. if you really want to stop the sale of illegal ES's, it isn't up to HWbot or XS or anyone else. it is Intel. if they were accountable for the samples they send out, it wouldn't be an issue. that is my take on and as you said, the discussion can go no where fast, and i do see your side...i just have a different angle i am trying to share with you, that's all.

[Buckeye]

Originally Posted by 3oh6

i understand what you are saying Bill, but my results with the 975ES are 100% legal. i obtained the chip from Intel, i am under NDA, and i haven't broken any aspects of NDA. in this case, allowing an ES is not facilitating the sale of ES.

with that said, i know my case is in the minority and not the majority. if you really want to stop the sale of illegal ES's, it isn't up to HWbot or XS or anyone else. it is Intel. if they were accountable for the samples they send out, it wouldn't be an issue. that is my take on and as you said, the discussion can go no where fast, and i do see your side...i just have a different angle i am trying to share with you, that's all.

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