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Originally Posted by 3oh6 View Post

this is next to impossible. take the guys benching on "air" in -40C ambients. i can use water cooling but run that water at -30C. as for actually determining what cooling guys are running, impossible. you want to open the door to further rule breaking, introduce cooling categories. there just isn't a feasible method for policing, implementing, or determining cooling categories.
Thanks, but you are right. That's why I don't say much about the cooling thing. It's just one of those impossible things to control. I however don't see a problem if you bench super cooled air. It's still aircooling, right? Same with water. Supes made his own chiler. Anyone who wants can.

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as for the last part of your statement, one word...BrianY. top 10, not a single piece of sponsored hardware. nothing handed to him, nothing binned except by him personally...and he isn't a millionaire. works every day of his life just to get by and feed his family. complaining that you can't compete is bullshyt, it is an excuse, plain and simple.


i am not sponsored in any way either, i do reviews in order to facilitate my benching. and if you think by doing a review for a piece of hardware is having it handed to me, think again. 80 hours of work for a proper review is hardly free. having the thousands of dollars of equipment to facilitate a proper review is not free. the knowledge to write a proper review is not free. the knowledge needed to understand all aspects of a piece of hardware for a proper review is not handed to you.

instead of whining, i compete by using what i have at my disposal. my skill set, my other hobbies, my knowledge to write reviews, to obtain hardware, and to bench that hardware. it is much easier to whine than it is to do something about it. you don't have to do it my way, everyone has their own methods, but just do it...don't complain.

I don't whine, cry, or throw a temper tantrum. Why? Because it's useless. The truth of the matter is I have other priorities that take my money over hardware fundage. Most importantly I lack the time. Do I say it sucks competing against sponsered guys? YES I do!! Do I say it is unfair. NO!! It is what it is. Honeslty I'd love to be one of those guys one day.

Now the truth of the matter is this; you gotta have big money to play with the big boys. You say BrianY. isn't sponsered, works everyday, etc. I'm sure thats true, but he also has a ton of $$$$$ worth of hardware. Point blank, its a money game almost as much as talent. Once again am I crying, etc? No, I just wish I had the availablility of the hardware. I don't whine. I just beat the crap out of the hardware I have available I hope thats the spirit everyone has. If anything compete with your personal best scores.

Now to point out something you mentioned about how you get hardware. This is one of my issues with the bot. Not the benchers but their stupid rules. HARDWARE SHARING!! You just mentioned that you bench your review samples. You don't own them. As a matter of fact, that same video card could be sent to gomeler, madshrimps or another reviewer that has a hwbot team. IMHO that goes against the whole "idea" behind the hw sharing rule. The thing is that I don't have a problem with how you operate, but rather hwbot's rule.

Here's how I see it. I have uber clocking i7. I mean this cherry does 5.7ghz 32m stable. Fellow hwbot member wants to borrow it to bench 2d. According to hwbot rules, that chip can only be borrowed for 3d runs. Well I see it as if I'm stupid enough to let someone else borrow my uber CPU, and take the risk of them beating me, then that is my problem. But the "spirit" of the rule is to bench what you own. Well alot of great benchers don't own their hardware. Look at the picture Vince posted in his thread on xs. He must have had 20 video cards on the table mounted with pots. He didn't buy those, and I bet some of those he technically don't own; NDA etc. I don't have a problem with that, but I do think its a double standard. Understand that 95% of the time I am all for "sponsered guys"
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Last edited by Chuchnit; 07-22-2009 at 09:51 AM. Reason: My tone was waaay harsh.
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