almost looks like half of a 295.

All I want to know is when and how much ............................... :clapping:

I have a feeling they will be imposible to get for a while ............ :shock:

Well after reading this I have a feeling like the new nvidia tech wont be so great. God knows who to believe anymore. Fact is I wont be paying their price for a GTX480 which is 5% faster than the 5870. I think this will be a fail ship. :taunt:

Prolly strickly a bench and sell card ....

But retail product will tell the story ...

I put zero stock in to anything that does not come off the shelf for retail as you have to beleive nV and ATI only send out premadonna chips for pre release reviews and god only knows how many of them are on their payroll .............. LOL

26th is the expected launch of Fermi.

Pefect :) 4 days before my b'day :D Lemme know if you need the ship to address :thumbsup:

:Dizzy:

i just the pics..if those are real....they definitely improved the power circuitry

Fuuurbyyyy

Reminds of the days (long long ago in a galaxy far far away) when MS was battling to make Windows 3.0 the destop standard against IBM's OS2.

Win 3.0 suffured huge amounts of suckage cause it was released buggy as all hell in an unfortunatley successful attempt to win the market through sheer volume of sales by hype. Win 3.0 was a 16 bit DOS shell and was responsible for coining the phrase the blue screen of death (BSOD). Except in Win3's case, it was death, not an inconveniece. No protection from one program to another, they all shared one giant memory pool and if one died, everything died.

OS2 in contrast was a robust 32 bit operating system, superior in every way except for the marketing push that IBM never made. Since IBM held it until it was a viable product (V3 code named Warp) they were so far behind the market curve they could never catch up.

Meanwhile, MS introduced a less buggy Win 3.1 about 3 months later which let you almost work effieiently throughout the day with only a few BSODs.

The rest is history. Windows dominates, and OS2 is no where to be seen in the consumer market.

Hopefully, the same result is not repeated with the ATI substandard hardware just because it came out sooner.

Not that I'm an nVidia fan boy or anything lol nVidia products just seem to work with far less frustration

Doe no .......... my 5870 and 5850 work really good ....

I have heard nightmares about CF though .....

We feed that fire, as we all have bought the 5870 and many grabbed the 5970 as well and we will all prolly buy a 480 .....

So bringing product to market just makes good business sence even if it is not 100% ready to go, and untill we are ready to say stop!!! I will not buy this product untill it is ready for prime time, they will continue to do so.

But knowing the mantality of our team and others we will keep buying cutting edge tech and hope for the best ............ :thumbsup:

This marketing stratagy has really worked out well for Bill

Im expecting a launch similar to the GTX-280. Everyone expected it to be the new 8800GTX, and was let down because it wasnt much better then the 9800GX2. But if you look now all those people have forgotten about the reviews and went ahead and bought one.

Im sure its going to be a beastly card, I just dont think its going to overtake the 5870 by much. Same way the 280 was only a little better then the 4870.

AMD will launch an updated 5870 soon after, and Nvidia will have a cooler running refresh of GTX-485 a couple months after launch. Seems like they are just doing "rinse and repeat" a lot lately.

Might need to just wait and see what the 5890 does or just buy, bench and then sell it.

That's the way to go even though I was really hoping it would be another 8800GTX!

If it turns out that good may have to keep it for a while .....

I know I had a few nights this week where I couldn't go to sleep thinking about the gtx 480. I need to start setting my lunch money to the side for one I guess!!

I hear ya bro ..... just grabbed a 260 and a 4870 for some hardware goodness

once I dice all these cards I am sitting on will have a fire sale via funds for the 480

but I am sure it will be limited in numbers and availibility at first ... not to mention they will want an arm and a leg for it ..........:ohcrap:

But the gulfy and the 480 will be the global beasts for the foreseable fiuture I am sure

The Alliance could see many global points evaporate out of the gate. That's why I am concentrating on Hardware right now .... they will stand the test of time I am thinking, and keep the Alliance in the hunt for world domination ............. LOL

I am interested in the 5890 around the corner. I bet it will give a run for the money if not beat the fermi monster.

we will see but they probably will not be a strong as the 5870's for hardware so I would think it would have to be good enough for Global competition to see a large part of the community shell out for one and the 480 will be tough to beat from what I have read but you know how that goes .... retail cards will tell the story .....

All this pre release info is fun and interesting but I put Zero stock in it .....

Bias and cherry picking make early performance a mute point IMO

I'll be sitting back in the cut and observing. Hopefully prices will drop a little by summer time for me to try to snag one. Sometime between now and then maybe I can get my hands on one for a week or so to bench. :D

I think Cecil is correct here.

In addition I think the availability of these cards is not going to be that great resulting in higher prices.

I spotted this over on XS, go figure, no way to tell what is correct until release in a few weeks. :popcorn:

Hum CPU speed is very low and I wonder if this is crippling both GPUs. These results are very close.

Pics of the XFX surfaced.

SOURCE:
http://www.techpowerup.com/117902/XF..._Pictured.html

Bad ass ........... gotta get me one of dose ......:thumbsup:

480 is using 295W thats equal to 5970, Pretty wary of its overclocking performance, what do you guyz guess? will it have as much of a oc headroom as a 5870???

I doubt it! At least not on air like the ATI. With some V-mod and LN2 I'm sure we can get some speed out of this thing. :D

Green Drivers ..... and hopfully voltage adjustment will = WIN



I hope

From what I have gathered from reading about these effing cards is this...

They are already voltage adjusted... It is speculated that the outlying transistors aren't getting the same juice as the "inner" ones. That cannot be good.

They are going to be super hot, I cannot see much headroom coming out of these unless you run it under frost.... Even then I see the pwm being a problem.

All in all I'm thinking these might be a huge headache for the price for what we do. For the average gamer they may be fine, but I have serious doubts about this nearly scrapped Fermi project. Pre underclocked and overvolted at stock is not a recipe for win in any book.

The sad thing is... I want one anyway. Go figure. :Dizzy:

i'd like to get me some :D stock evga ones........well of course if these beats the 5870s then we're golden :D

I myself am waiting for this as well as the 5890 to drop before I jump. I don't have it like I use to or else I would jump on one out the gate. I'm thinking these Fermi's are going to be bad arse.

I'm at least going 470 at launch.

the 470 will be wicked I am sure, but 480 will prolly max hardware boints and they better be good for globals or nV will have a serious fail on their hands

one thing to be late but if they are slower than 5870's ATI will hold all the cards and could delay the launch of the 5890 .....

why release it if they don't have to .... they can milk the market out with the designer 5870's AK Lightning and such


Hoping for the best

They dont have to beat the 5870.. they just have to be made by nVidia and everyone will buy them up and make a ton of subbmissions with them :) Boints are boints right? I am sure you will still get lots of Globs with them

You will only get globals if they are faster than the 5870s

Or if you skipped the 5870 to wait for them

http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-g...aled/8635.html

Only 5-10% better then the 5870, and $500+ inflaition.

Now the real question.. will this drive the prices of the 280/285/295 to something guys like me can afford???

The 5-10% estimate was back in November... i'm quite sure they've improved performance since then.

That link was posted yesterday, and they said their internal testing is only 5-10% better. And from everything else we've seen lately, that seems to be the norm.

Well as usual it will boil down to clockability and luck of the draw

So they squeezed out a win?

No, you don't understand. I've been hearing that internally nvidia had achieved such speeds back in NOVEMBER. So for it to remain 5-10% either means that its not true... or they knew the maximum performance of fermi back in november. Either way, still from november. :D