[skarface]

Originally Posted by Kal-EL

Your call but running 3dmarks01-06 doesnt blow up ur rig, just gives a performance measure to compar by. Overclocking is what kills, you'll probably get points for mild overclocks and contribute to our team.

No pressure man, but I gotta say, learning how to tweak and obersving performance difference across the benchmarks and familiarizing myself with each is what gave me all the pc knowledge I currently have. Its all a learning process.

I'd still like to see what those cards and setup do across the benchmarks. Did you use the physx drivers on that run?

Im running 182.08 with physx.

[Chuchnit]

If you don't mind, when you do another run turn off physx to give us something to compare to.

[skarface]

Originally Posted by Chuchnit

If you don't mind, when you do another run turn off physx to give us something to compare to.

okay but y do some want to compare with no phy and most do with???? On the evga forum no one goes off of no phy?

[Kal-EL]

Originally Posted by skarface

okay but y do some want to compare with no phy and most do with???? On the evga forum no one goes off of no phy?

Mostly because the vast majority of Evga members are noobs. Then theres the fact that Evga worked for/with Nvidia exclusively prior to the release of Nehalem architecture, so, the Evga scores section and Vantage runs stood to gain the most positive review by using the physx drivers. This makes the Nvidia cards appear to stand out against ATI cards.

The reason NVIDIA is upset about the cheating claims is because they didn't do anything other than allow the workload to run on the GPU. The way 3DMark Vantage runs the benchmark remains the same as if a dedicated PPU was installed (adding more worlds to the workload). With parallel computing headed to the GPU it only makes sense that benchmarks take this into account. The problem here it seems is that NVIDIA came out with the drivers before the industry had the benchmarks ready. When Futuremark Vantage was designed the AGEIA PhysX SDK was used and a discrete Physical Processing Unit was needed to offload the benchmark DLLs from the CPU to the PPU. We showed this in our article about 3DMark Vantage the day the benchmark came out. We dedicated an entire page to offloading PhysX to a PPU and no one cried that it was cheating moving the DLLs from the CPU to the PPU. Now that NVIDIA had moved the workloads from the CPU to the GPU they are accused of cheating!

On the world stage, true overclockers have recognized this shortfall and disparity and when comparing true gpu performance, overclockers agree that to truly compare ATI/Nvidia, you must disable the physx drivers in the Nvidia control panel.

The only enthusiast forum you will see a majority of Physx used drivers when posting benchmarks is EVGA. But, even EVGA staff, moderators and Enthusiasts have agreed it is an un-realistic comparison when using physx drivers.

Hwbot.org is the largest world database for overclocking and is currently the reigning authority on hardware performance information. Physx drivers benchmark submissions are rejected at Hwbot.org.

Furthermore, Futuremark, the maker of 3dmarkVantage, will not list your score as valid if you use the physx drivers as they have also recognized this offloading and bypassing of the cpu onto gpu. Vince a.k.a. K|ngp|n, the current 3dmark world record holder does not use physx drivers and if he did, futuremark would invalidate his submissions to the ORB.

Physx in some cases can be a great performance boost for some games and I applaud its purpose in gaming but when it comes down to which GPU actually performs flatout best, physx use is not permissible in the equation.

If I've missed some points here guys, feel free to chime in. You know I'm still a Noob4Life baby

[skarface]

So ati doesnt use phy? And if not wouldnt that make nvidia better being that it gets a so called boost?? I mean whats the point of boosting "performance or benching" when the boost isnt being used???? I use phy everytime i play a game so if maxing out an ati/nvidia card if the nvidia has more options to use y would those not be used doesnt make sence if one card performes better with something enable but turn it off to bring everything on the same playing field. Thats like someone bringing a car with 300 hp and i bring mine with nitrous and 500 hp y should i turn my nitrous off when thats what i have? I have seen this tho were people comapre with phy off only never understood it tho.

[Chuchnit]

Originally Posted by skarface

So ati doesnt use phy? And if not wouldnt that make nvidia better being that it gets a so called boost?? I mean whats the point of boosting "performance or benching" when the boost isnt being used???? I use phy everytime i play a game so if maxing out an ati/nvidia card if the nvidia has more options to use y would those not be used doesnt make sence if one card performes better with something enable but turn it off to bring everything on the same playing field. Thats like someone bringing a car with 300 hp and i bring mine with nitrous and 500 hp y should i turn my nitrous off when thats what i have? I have seen this tho were people comapre with phy off only never understood it tho.

Well it's not excepted by futuremark for the reason that it goes against what Futuremark intended for the benchmark. Why do you think your CPU score is so high in vantage? It's because the CPU didn't do the work. That alters the integrety of the benchmark. The CPU test portion of the bench was/is intended to test how well the CPU can handle physics operations. I hear ya on your arguement, and it's been repeated by many thousands of times, but it is what it is.

To answer your first part, no ATI does not use physx. Maybe it does make nvidia better as far as gaming in games that utilize the physx engine. The problem is that not many games utilize physx. Just because you have it enabled in the cp, that doesn't mean you are actually using the function in most of your games.

[Kal-EL]

I fudged the gpu to cpu offloading in my initial post, its vice verca cpu offload to gpu/ppu. Correction made.

[skarface]

Originally Posted by Chuchnit

Hold your horses there bud. I'm a noob4life I'm probably gonna buy 25lbs of dice Friday morning and start benching about 3 or 4pm until she's all gone. Gimme a call later this evening

I called and left a dumb msg like he chucky or something along those lines! I wana see this pot and dice!

[Chuchnit]

Sorry bud, I got called into work for a couple of hours. I'll hit ya back as soon as I have time.

[Kal-EL]

Originally Posted by skarface

I called and left a dumb msg like he chucky or something along those lines! I wana see this pot and dice!

Originally Posted by Chuchnit

Sorry bud, I got called into work for a couple of hours. I'll hit ya back as soon as I have time.

Thanks skarface, thought I was the only one crackin the whip around here fight3