[Gutterz]

I just think the point spread should be differant so newcomers to hwbot feel they achieved somthing. How many of them 20k users are returning? Prolly alot more would return or keep interested if they atleast got 1 point for a {4.5Ghz on a 920 example} or somthin to that effect.

[Bones]

I'm not worried about whether anything is changed so much as the appearance of it being biased against older hardware = A huge drop in points. We never worried about Globals as you guys know already and simply worked our tails off to get what we have/had and to see it all go "Poof" hurts and you gotta say ouch at some point.

I'm not too worried about it all though and waiting to see what happens next. I did get some global points out of the deal but lost almost half of my total points regardless. That's the thing we're griping about the most.
How would you like to see half of everything you earned lost?

Kal, I understand where you are coming from and agree with your points about "Who cares what rabbit you're chasing?"

Run it down and kill it is the way I go about benching no matter what I'm running. Who would have thought a lowly Asus A7N8X Deluxe 2.0 MB could push a Socket A past 2.8GHz? I did it by being persistent and continuing the chase, proving it could be done - Best of all, the board has no mods applied. Competed with other big-boards with similar CPU's and did well inspite of the handicap I have when using it.
I'm not about to throw in the towel guys. In fact this is like a gauntlet being thrown down to me.

[Mr.Scott]

Originally Posted by Kal-EL

You guys should gather together and make you're voices heard over on the Hwbot forum. It's the only way to effectuate change on this planet. Ban together and be heard. Nobody can hear you on you're home forums but you're teams.

Me, I don't give a frog's ass either way, I compete in whatever I choose to compete in, and with or without the bot point system, I still go over there and pick a rabbit to chase and I chase that fucker as best as I can till I catchem, then I pick another rabbit. I don't pick a snail and hope not to catch the attention of other snails. Nor do I try to supplement my diet with snails in an effort to make my rabbit appear more Jackish. Both ways cost a shitload of money. Competitive overclocking costs money, OFTEN!

A hundred $20 cpu's is still $2,000 bucks so that piss poor thing argument doesn't fly with me. If you're competing with the global hot-rodders with obvious money to burn, you're gonna spend money in either direction direction you go.....

And cooling????? Just about everyone finds a way to get there shit cooler than the next guy. Some guys are willing to go extreme extreme while others modify a/c units or drown their radiators in ice baths. I've done it all for the glory of competing with my dear brother spfoam1 and others, all the while getting hosed by Cascade, Single Stage and Liquid Nitrogen freeks. Only recently have I delved into the waters of LN2/Dice. You simply can't overclock with the Holy Spirit and be competitive, no matter how old/new your shit is.

For the Classic Platforms type of overclockers, I've never been pissed off at your hardware achievements or your hoard of hardware points. But I also don't agree that they should be limitless on the team level either. I can't be bothered nor do I have an interest to go back in the delorian and pick up a hundred punch card processors from the original NORAD complex. I'm all for fostering the fever and I'm an advocate for it on all levels. My thing was, individually the hwbot Overclocker's Leaugue has people's hardware scores capped off at 300 points. SO for continuity's sake I feel the Team League's should have followed suit, less we all be forced to compete as Hardware Grinder's. Option "C" which is what I woulda preferred, is recognizing the grinder's by having a Grinder's League where all the hot shot hardware grinder's were recognized and ranked based on hardware boints. Same with the Team's, you're team can choose to compete as Globe Trotters or Tech-Junkie's.
You cannot expect Jackfruit Junior to walk into Jackfruit Senior's office, pull down his pants and have more fuzz than Senior does. Nor can you expect Senior to have a higher sperm count. Get it?

So are there differing opinions? Hell yah. Should we let it ruin our pasion for whatever category we place ourselves into? Hell no. I have a tremendous amount of respect for those hardware nuts and their vast collection of hardware and hardware knowledge. I just don't have any interest to follow that path.

We won't know what the final version of Rev. 3 Hwbot will bring until the damn server is updated with fresh data. And even then who the hell knows what the eruo's will do. It's their machines, their time, their money, their business. I see alot of pissed off Americano's but not one damned coder around willing to put together the American BOT!

I'll end by saying, Hwbot is just another venue that makes it convenient to compete with others on a larger convenient scale. We all started on forum message boards competing with eachother and that will NEVER end. So if you don't like the bot and you wanna compare sizes, the forum's are always there. I can see where it'd be hard for obscure hardware bencher's to compare notes tho, duh, its ineherant to obscurity. Besides, I don't think we have any obscure snail chaser's here, at CP or NBOC or any other knuckleheads around here.


But wait, it's not done yet, so again, who the hell knows?

Interesting and well written opinion. I cannot disagree with some of it, some I can, but that's what makes us individuals, and there's nothing wrong with that. HWBot can do what ever they want to their site, because it is THEIR site. If one doesn't like it, don't use it. As for me, I will continue to use it simply because I like to bench, and right now their site is pretty much the only stage for anybody to do it on. I'll just have to alter my style a bit and bench some newer stuff. I don't have a problem with that, it'll just take me a little longer to amass a newer collection. As for an American bench site, this is already being discussed at CP. There are one or two of us with enough coding skills to whip up a site. It may take a while, but it's gonna happen I think. It's a time consuming process starting from scratch. CP actually offered to buy the base code from HWBot and was refused. So that pretty much means a scratch start. We'll see how it transpires. Meanwhile, I've made alot of friends through HWBot and forums like this one and NBOC, and have no plans on abandoning that, no matter what happens. I'd also like to thank you Supe's, for allowing us the access to your site and basically letting us spout our opinion's. That's very gracious of you. Rock on brother's, I will most definitely see you around.
~Scotty

[Witchdoctor]

It totally blows Bones and hats off to you and your mates .....

Very positive additude for the effin you guys are taking..... I hope you guys are on their forum telling who ever is in charge just how effed up this move is.

I am not sure where everyone will land as it changes everytime I look but I do know changing the game at halftime for better or worse isn't fair to anyone who played the first half ....

[Mr.Scott]

Originally Posted by Witchdoctor

I totally blows Bones and hats off to you and your mates .....

Very positive additude for the effin you guys are taking..... I hope you guys are on their forum telling who ever is in charge just how effed up this move is.

I am not sure where everyone will land as it changes everytime I look but I do know changing the game at halftime for better or worse isn't fair to anyone who played the first half ....

Thanks Brian. I /we appreciate the support.

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Witchdoctor

I totally blows Bones and hats off to you and your mates .....

Very positive additude for the effin you guys are taking..... I hope you guys are on their forum telling who ever is in charge just how effed up this move is.

I am not sure where everyone will land as it changes everytime I look but I do know changing the game at halftime for better or worse isn't fair to anyone who played the first half ....

That's kind of like changing the rules during halftime. "WTF" would be the obvious (And logical) reaction to it.
I know everyone had the drop and taking it with a grain of salt on my part. As Mr. Scott stated, I too like benching and don't see a need to stop because of something like this. If a new site or forum is eventually created for this purpose, I'll be there too.

[DrNip]

Overclocking is an every changing game as so is life. We have to learn to adapt. Just my opinion. Everybody is going to be alright.

[Kal-EL]

Originally Posted by Witchdoctor

I totally blows Bones and hats off to you and your mates .....

Very positive additude for the effin you guys are taking..... I hope you guys are on their forum telling who ever is in charge just how effed up this move is.

I am not sure where everyone will land as it changes everytime I look but I do know changing the game at halftime for better or worse isn't fair to anyone who played the first half ....

WD, this a PG13-ish forum, if you're going to blowing Bones, please do it via PM. Thank you- Carry on.

[DrNip]

HAHAHAHA!!! Bazinga.

[RomDominance]

Hey now, WD is a child with a beard, be gentle! hehe

I think what they did to CP,
what they did to me and gunslinger and every other cutting edge bencher,
how they lowered the bar to increase their population,
all if it is nothing short of idiotic.
Oh and the new scoring "transparency" is as clear and easy to see thru as a pile of dogshit.
Unfortunately as stated earlier, we have no where else to go.
The Empire is comprised of a great many warriors,...we shall continue to bring the pain.