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Afterburner
07-07-2009, 12:51 PM
Here you go!! (Link) (http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=100770038&mpage=1&key=�)
***EDIT*** Corrected link.... Sorry folks....
Gunslinger
07-07-2009, 12:54 PM
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Afterburner
07-07-2009, 01:00 PM
Oh crap!!! ... Still in my cache.......
Corsair Dominator GT Elpida Hyper Announcement - 7/7/2009 2:01:53 PM
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We have seen a number of reports across various forums about failures of modules (from Corsair as well as from other memory manufacturers) built with Elpida “Hyper” RAMs. Through lab testing, we have now been able to reproduce similar failures. We are continuing to test to determine the cause of these failures. Note that although a relatively small percentage of “Hyper” ICs appear to be affected, the rate of failure is not acceptable to Corsair or to our customers.
Due to these failures, we will no longer sell Hyper-based modules until the issue can be resolved. We have also have asked our retailers to return any modules they currently have on their shelves. Products impacted include TW3X4G1600C6GTF, TR3X6G1866C7GTF, TR3X6G2000C8GTF, TR3X3G2000C7GTF, and TR3X6G2000C7GTF. We are working on enhancing our manufacturing and testing process to be able to offer these parts again as soon as possible.
We continue to stand behind these modules 100% with our standard warranty, which can be found at http://www.corsair.com/warranty/default.aspx.
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Gunslinger
07-07-2009, 01:09 PM
ohcrap Uh oh, hope mine don't die. :rroulette:
limpkorn
07-07-2009, 01:21 PM
Ouch, my buddy was just telling me about some issues with his set of GT's probably got an affected set.
I think he needs to RMA ASAP! I'm glad I went with Mushkin on this one I was really close to picking up some Dominator GT's just the other day.
hellcamino
07-07-2009, 01:27 PM
Oh, what a bummer! I am guessing that what a lot of peeps are doing is leaving most settings on auto and ending up with really high vtt and jacked up vdimm causing early failures.
Afterburner
07-07-2009, 01:37 PM
Oh, what a bummer! I am guessing that what a lot of peeps are doing is leaving most settings on auto and ending up with really high vtt and jacked up vdimm causing early failures.
Mine failed today..... (Link) (http://www.evga.com/forums/tt.asp?forumid=31)
I have not over v'd them at all! In fact it scared me to go to 1.66 I am such a noob...
Killer customer service for them to post that!! It helps take the sting out a bit. I mean after all, I did buy the second best RAM they offer. The last thing I expect for $350 (For RAM mind you!!!!) is a failure this soon. It would be one thing if I was torching it, but I ran them in the range of 1952-2085... Nothing out if the range, and I ran them 24/7 at factory settings....
I still have not "Taken them out to race" yet.... cry...
I have applied for an RMA, have not yet received any contact other than the automated system.... I am sure I'll hear from them tonight or tomorrow...
hellcamino
07-07-2009, 02:31 PM
What was your QPI/VTT set at?
DrNip
07-07-2009, 03:15 PM
I saw this coming and am still kicking myself for buying my Blades.
limpkorn
07-07-2009, 03:17 PM
Wow, you planning to RMA before they choke Nip?
Chuchnit
07-07-2009, 03:30 PM
Oh, what a bummer! I am guessing that what a lot of peeps are doing is leaving most settings on auto and ending up with really high vtt and jacked up vdimm causing early failures.
Well I suspect you are maybe close to half or a little less correct, and the other half or more is the fact that the process either isn't mature or early batches were fubarred.
Afterburner
07-07-2009, 04:07 PM
What was your QPI/VTT set at?
I am at the office still I will have to check when I get home.... I can tell you with my Classy it was set manually...
hellcamino
07-07-2009, 04:32 PM
I am at the office still I will have to check when I get home.... I can tell you with my Classy it was set manually...
I'm still curious, my board with the Mushkin ram I first tried would set the vtt to 1.585v and vdimm to 1.8v for it's rated speed/timings with stock cpu speed.
DrNip
07-07-2009, 05:02 PM
My Classy and DFI set the VTT around 1.2v and DIMM around 1.56v.
hellcamino
07-07-2009, 05:12 PM
My Classy and DFI set the VTT around 1.2v and DIMM around 1.56v.
Was that for rated speed/timings for your ram?
HITandRUN
07-07-2009, 07:01 PM
Corsair rocks! I have the GTs and knock on wood its all good so far!
Afterburner
07-07-2009, 07:14 PM
I'm still curious, my board with the Mushkin ram I first tried would set the vtt to 1.585v and vdimm to 1.8v for it's rated speed/timings with stock cpu speed.
OK... My VDimm is manually set @ 1.65 per factory specs.
What the heck is VTT? CPU? My CPU VTT is 1.325. I am a noob now... Still learning all this lingo stuff.
Also the Classy has WAY more settings than my x58 does, and I did not see it in there either....
Below are a few screen shots for a better idea of what some of the BIOS options are....
http://img186.imageshack.us/i/overclockingx58.pdf/
hellcamino
07-07-2009, 07:28 PM
Interesting that you and Nip were both running fairly low QPI/VTT assuming that the bios is fairly accurate. I tried to get mine down and it wasn't having it once i raised the cpu clock but my ram wouldn't pass memtest (when overclocked) unless I lowered the vdimm (ram voltage) to 1.6v. I've seen it where lower vdimm worked better but not lower then stock rated voltage before., again assuming that my bios is fairly accurate as I haven't measured actual values yet.
crustytheclown
07-08-2009, 02:06 AM
I heard many guys complaining about dead sticks,it's a pity...
DrNip
07-08-2009, 06:13 AM
Was that for rated speed/timings for your ram?
By no means that was just the default BIOS settings.
hellcamino
07-08-2009, 08:39 AM
By no means that was just the default BIOS settings.
OK...I wasn't asking what your board auto set your ram at 400mhz...Rated speed and timings please. Unless of course you run your ram at 10-10-10-30 1T @ 400mhz....
Afterburner
07-08-2009, 10:37 AM
FYI... They have offered a screening of replacements or Refund my $$ I chose the refund.... What should I replace these with??? War is coming and I feel naked!!!ohcrap
hellcamino
07-08-2009, 10:47 AM
You might try the Mushkin Redline's that Nip was using.
DrNip
07-08-2009, 04:05 PM
OCZ's response:
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=408146#post408146
Corsairs:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/news/memory/corsair-pulls-dominator-gt-memory-due-mount-concerns-failing-elpida-hyper-ics/
I read somewhere today that Kingston is doin the same. Maybe that is why my RMA's are taking so long.
This is all good to know as if my RMA set of Blades fails me I like how there is a no questions asked refund!
OCZ's response:
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=408146#post408146
from the link...
This is OCZ's official statement.
In regards to the potential issues relating to Elpida Hyper IC’s, OCZ has not yet seen extended failures in the field, and the Elipda Hyper IC’s we have used came from earlier batches so we do not yet know if this is the reason why we are not seeing field issues but as a proactive measure based on the latest information from media reviewers like AnandTech we have officially held the use of any Elpida Hyper IC’s at this time. Any customers that are seeing issues are encouraged to contact us and we will absolutely take care of all customers that with a no questions asked refund or exchange for another OCZ product of equal value, whichever the customer prefers. We want to make sure that our customers have peace of mind and the confidence that we will take care of any and all issues related to modules that utilize Elpida Hyper chips.
quite a step considering they aren't seeing the same amount of failures. kind of interesting actually.
thanks for the link BTW, was waiting for something from OCZ on this subject.
DrNip
07-08-2009, 04:59 PM
Good to know they got our back! :)
Kal-EL
07-08-2009, 05:03 PM
So are these gonna be junk? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231269
Good to know they got our back! :)
yeah, but i find it interesting that they are so quick to "held the use of any Elpida Hyper IC’s at this time" if they haven't seen "extended failures in the field". i don't know, just comes off a little knee jerk if they honestly haven't seen any failures leading me to believe they were sitting on this stance for when someone else officially took a stance.
DrNip
07-08-2009, 05:07 PM
I think it is a lil more severe than what they are leading us to believe in the statement.
Afterburner
07-08-2009, 05:15 PM
Yeah... this bothers me a lot now.... So I need to know... Are the RED mushkin going to be OK or not? If not what is the best RAM going to be???? I got $330 sitting here looking for a home!
DrNip
07-08-2009, 05:18 PM
They are only Elipdas which so far from what I have seen are not plagued like the Hyper Elipdas.
I've heard of only one kit of Muskin Hypers dead so far. Seems the be the least of the evils at this point.
On the other hand, I haven't seen anyone with dead Avantium sticks. Probably because there are so few of them out in the wild. AFAIK, they all used early chips similar to the first batch of Kingston from the Egg which seems to be a bit more reliable.
I have to agree on the OCZ statement also. Seems odd they stop using the chips unless they had indeed seen the failures. I'm just going to assume they weren't too thrilled about admitting to the failures publicly. Glad to see them honoring the warranty still though :thumbsup:
Afterburner
07-08-2009, 07:13 PM
I am thinking of getting these... Good idea??? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226059
DrNip
07-09-2009, 06:17 AM
I am thinking of getting these... Good idea??? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226059
Here was what I did with them for the few days I had em. Later i wished I hadn't RMAed them but if my Newest set of Blades fail me, I will get a refund and go back to the Ascents.
http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=621
If you want you might jump within the next 48 hours as promo code "MEMSALE10" gets you 10 bucks off.
Here's Anandtech's review which is what I believe prompted all the fuss. Thanks AnandTech! :D
http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=3596&p=1
Afterburner
07-09-2009, 03:37 PM
It looks like Mushkin has chimed in on this subject. Look for the sticky on there forums.
Looks like good news for us with redlines.
http://forums.mushkin.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13630
It looks like Mushkin has chimed in on this subject. Look for the sticky on there forums.
Looks like good news for us with redlines.
http://forums.mushkin.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13630
this is pretty much what i was expecting from the Mushkin boys. hopefully they have a good stash of IC's that don't suffer from the failures...and to figure out which kits they are on :D
crustytheclown
07-10-2009, 03:17 AM
All this thing worries me...I was considering buying Dominator GTs and now, not only these are out of the question, but I fear to buy anything with Hyper Elpida ICs...
However, OCZ says they encountered no significant RMA problems...Was it Corsair's fault then, or was there a problematic chip batch?
DrNip
07-10-2009, 06:22 AM
I just want some RAM back!!!
Afterburner
07-10-2009, 07:13 AM
No it was not Corsairs problem... You are where I was a month ago. I thought Kingston had a problem so I chose Corsair... It is the chip supply that the brands are getting to put in their RAM.
I think what has happened is we as "Higher end" users want the latest and greatest yesterday. And what we have have in our systems right now is nice but not as good as what they have coming out.
This causes commitments to be made by several suppliers to the manufacturers, that they can meet the demand. Well everything has a window or margin of error for things out of controllable realm. And this window is always being reduced.
And that has allowed for products to be introduced and available faster and faster every launch!
Well I think what that has caused is our demand to be to greater, and the technology that we have become accustomed to getting faster than we can spend money has finally caught up....
They need to fix this silicon issue and bring the parts out ready to rock... Not have a % of failure that is OK with them. Because this % seems to get bigger and bigger with each launch and now they have to pay for this piss poor management of the consumer desire vs a quality, ready for retail product.
Any failure over 1% is unexceptionable. Period.
It is the chips that are failing, not the testing of the brands. The Brands had better go back to their suppliers and demand the quality to be #1 not beating or meeting a desired product launch date....
kikicoco1334
02-04-2010, 01:55 PM
G L A D didn't buy my ram yet!
Buckeye
02-05-2010, 05:25 AM
G L A D didn't buy my ram yet!
Pulled up an old thread eh ;)
I think this is all in the past now and sticks are all coming out ok as far as I know.
Dominator GT 2000mhz kits here working just fine ;)
rickss69
02-05-2010, 08:56 AM
Pulled up an old thread eh ;)
I think this is all in the past now and sticks are all coming out ok as far as I know.
Dominator GT 2000mhz kits here working just fine ;)
Mine as well. :)