New Grinder

[Witchdoctor]

Well anyone who follows this section knows my last build log was a bit to ambisious and turned out to be an epic fail ......... if you did miss and that is entirley possible here it is

http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5226

FYI: I ended up assemeling that rig in a Bit Fenix Colossous, it is a way cool case but I have to say it was less than stellar. Anyway I have decided to go back to my roots and build something that I think anyway will be pretty effin cool.


This is going to be a long protracted build thinking it will go into the summer as some of the parts may not be availible until then. Or depending on what I am reading may decide to stay with SBE.
Anyway I will be starting this build by intergrating the cooling sytem into the case and inserting hardware as final specs become availible

Goal: To build something that looks great and kicks major ass AKA show and go, And practical of course .......... :ohcrap:
http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6766&stc=1&d=1362321060

Parts:

Case = Case Labs TH10
Motherboard = MSI X79A-GD65 (8D)
CPU = Intel 3930K
GPU's = 2x eVGA SC GTX Titans
Stix = Team Group 16GB PC3 19200/2400MHz 9-11-11-28 1T
PS's = Corsair AX 1200
Sound = Creative 3D Recon
HD 1 = 2x 830 Samies striped for OS
HD 2 = BFMD for storage and 2x 120GB OCZ Vertex 3 for games and programs
GPU Rads = 2x Coolgate Quad480's
CPU Rad = 2x Coolgate Quad480's
GPU Blocks = 2x EK-FC GeForce GTX Titan GPU Water Block - Acetal w/2x EK back plates
CPU Block = EK-Supremacy - Acetal - CSQ
GPU Res = EK-D5 XRES Top 140 CSQ w/250mm extension
CPU Res = EK-D5 XRES Top 140 CSQ
Pumps = 2x Multi speed D5 pumps
Intake Fans = Xigma XAF-F1254
Rad Fans = Corsiar SP120 Low Noise and Yates 38MM silent's
Fan Controller = 2x Lamptron FC5-V2
Fan Filters = Apevia FF-120BK

Some of the stuff came in today ........ :)



http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6684&stc=1&d=1359669645

Off to see the Wizzard ..........

[Witchdoctor]

More Pics

[Witchdoctor]

Reserved 2

[kikicoco1334]

looks great bud!
pretty excited for ya

[Kal-EL]

Love watching these builds.

Reserved for comments :)

[ThreeDhero]

Will this be Crysis 3 ready ^^???

[MaadDaawg]

Hey WD, check out the Swiftech HD for your CPU water block. Great block IME :)

[Witchdoctor]

Doing research on them all .................... :thumbsup:

Shame their are a couple missing, and lack of flow rate info basically makes this graph unusable.

The swiffy does well here for sure

Edit:

Case ariived today, pics added to OP

To summerize you simply can not imaging how big this beast is, Have sworn by Lian Li since 1999
Have had many and loved them. However there is a new kid in town and I am here to tell you.
While you could argue the Lian Li is a bit more vouge and elegant, They are mere toys compared to the professional level construction of the Case Labs product.

For you older gentelman it is Tim The Tool Man Taylor Approved ........... :thumbsup:

completly modular put anything anywhere .... PS bay is large enough to house a single stage with room left over
Maybe next build .......... :laughing:
Can house up to 32 Hard drives or 64 SSD's or any combonation of both. Any MB made will fit and will do 4x480 out of the box and 5x480 with bat adapter. I used an SSD to try to give it some scale

[PhIlLy ChEeSe]

Love that case man, fawkin sweet!

[rickss69]

You can use the stock water block that came with the Boreas if you want...not a nickles worth of difference between it and aftermarket if you ask me. ;)

[Witchdoctor]

Thinking I will grab a high perorming one when the time comes and if it does not perform better than the stock one sellit for a small loss. This way I will have definative information for the final build spec. I think your are right though, from what I have been reading high flow will serve these temps better than high surface area

[GFDuke]

That case is a MONSTER!!!!!

[DOM]

WILL YOU BE TAKING THIS TO SMACKS :rofl

[Witchdoctor]

That case is a MONSTER!!!!!


It is crazy .......... :Dizzy:
The online pictures are not indecation of how big this really is, Sent an e-mail to Jim at Case labs saying they need to put something in the pics to put some scale to this thing
But it is the ultimant weapon for a wacky build .......... :laughing:

No, my portable is the plywood rack ............. :thumbsup:

This thing will be home base as it will be to heavy to even lift with the amount of water it is going to take to fill it.

Although empty it is light as a feather, 100% Aluminum construction

[Neuromancer]

Do you have a raid card or are you putting the Vertex3 on SATA 3Gbps ports?

Should be fine, will still hit 1GBps transfers and small file size wont be hindered.

[Witchdoctor]

Really not sure yet what platform I am going with yet. Fianacially if I want to expidite this I would have to use my current hardware and in that semario, 2 off them would have to roll on 3gb ports.

If I wait it out and that is the plan as of now possbly next gen boards will offer enough 6gb pots for what I hope to do.

[DOM]

No update :P

Which fans are you going to use on the rads ? I keep putting off getting some new fans need some but have no clue wut to get lol

[Witchdoctor]

No no updates here, should have fittings showing up to complte the testing on the Boreas, iin another thread. Being that is the first component to be installed in the case this thread is patciantly waiting ............. :blink:

Have not decided on fans, have to do some testing to confirm but it has been narrowed down to (2)

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=36_1130_403&products_id=25284

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181025

Can not seem to find the static pressure on the Yates fans though ??? so I will have to field test ........... :laughing:

What Rads do you have, I am sure we can comme iup with some fans that will work nicely.

I went with a low 8 FPI that will lend itself to these low noise low speed fans, if the fins on your rads are similar thse fans would work well, the tighter the fins the mir air/noise you need to max the efficincy of the rad as they will have a higher drag

[DOM]

I have a black ice gtx 480 radiator with x3 YATE LOON D12SH-12 on pull

Had x4 but kids broke one lol

[Witchdoctor]

That is a nice rad, Very tight FPI like 16

300 watt load / water temps above ambient

1000 RPM = 9.86C

1350 RPM = 6.39C

1550 RPM = 5.06C

2000 RPM = 3.3C

3000 RPM = 1.87C

You can see where the this tight fin design of this rad lends itself to High speed fans

This would be optimal for you set up, just make sure you have fan gaurds as these bad boys will cut a finger off and at 44db buy some noise canceling headphones :laughing:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835213005

[DOM]

idk about that 44db :rofl:

[Witchdoctor]

If your willing to give up performance

around 1350 RPM looks like a sweet spot as well

These are quite and like 1450RPM with 1.29mm/H2O

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181025

not a bad price for twin packs either and they have the oohhhh different color rings, Smack would even love them .......... :laughing:

[DOM]

these seem nice idk wth Static Pressure (mm/H2O): 3.1 mm/H2O means :D

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181027

I don't need super quiet lol

Naw it needs leds and glitter :laughing:

[Witchdoctor]

Bling / Bling

It makes it faster ................. :blink:

Just wrapping up a client build for some extra cash ............... :ohcrap:

[DOM]

SWEET :thumbsup:

are you going to push pull on the rads ?

I just notice I wish my house was as clean as yours, wut I get for wanting kids :happy1:

[Witchdoctor]

trying to avoid Push pull as I already had to donate a kidney to afford the 20 fans it is going to take, that would add 12 more ......

may have to strap this down to keep it from taking off ......... :laughing:

Also am looking for it to be quit, bought rads that are tweaked for low airflow

[Neuromancer]

Yatelooons - $3-4 a fan :)

Might not be the best looking, might not be the best performer, but they look good enough and perfom good enough and the price is much more pleasant :)

As far as high pressure, ultra kaze 3Ks are pretty inexpensive too

EDIT: maybe not sycthe is hte only place I can find them and they are listed at $12 which is a bit more than i paid IIRC

[Witchdoctor]

Going to try out the yates and the SP120's , and see where they stand :thumbsup:

[Neuromancer]

Cool keep us posted :)

[GFDuke]

Thats gonna be alot of fan cleaning. Have you though about dust filters?

[GFDuke]

these seem nice idk wth Static Pressure (mm/H2O): 3.1 mm/H2O means :D

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181027

I don't need super quiet lol

Naw it needs leds and glitter :laughing:

those are def. Bling material. :thumbsup:

[Witchdoctor]

The Boreas tesing has been completed with mixed results. I has shown it would be worth while endevor supplying temps 15C better than ambient water on a hot running 3770K Ivy Bridge CPU, This thing would be epic on Sandy. As I do not know what the final CPU will be this is a good enough result to move forward. That being said I will be starting the build beging with the cooling sytem.

[Witchdoctor]

Well all pumped up to come home and get started, This is where Epic Fail comes into play, it doesn't fit........ :ohcrap: All the measuring and drawing I have done has made no difference.

I need an 1/8" .......... with no way to get it with out chopping into this case, That is not going to happen on this build, This is my own dumb fault, some how I miss typed the dimensions when sending it to case labs... if it was the demension was supposed to send I would have a 1/8" to spare, sometimes an 1/8" is a mile ............ :blush:

I am completly shocked as you all know what an acomplished typist I ma ???? :scared:

Anyway On plan B and C already , I will be moving forward under the presumption of Ambient air and 4 quads 2 for the CPU and 2 for the GPU's that should still easily produce a formatable gaming rig




Shhhh.............
Secretly in the lab :blink: I will be stripping down the Boreas and working water coupling the blocks to see if I can get a satifactory result that way. mind you I will be loosing the capacity of two blocks and TEC's so temps may be less than stellar to spite a more effective way of removing the heat ....

But you never know unless you try .............. :laughing:

If it does work fabbing up a rack for them that will easily fit will be a piece of cake :thumbsup:

[MaadDaawg]

Bummer WD, sorry to hear about that :ohcrap:

I'm thinking 4 quads should be more than adequate though :P

[DOM]

So what doesn't fit ? I'm lost lol

So the case was a custom made to your specs ?

[rickss69]

Why not take my Silverstone I got from Coolit? It was made for the Boreas and I promise it has all the room for any of your needs. :good:

[Witchdoctor]

Wow, I appreciate that Rick, However I am diggin the new case to spite this set back. I am not out of the game yet and may be able to use it in a different config, if not I will still have it for benching and a future build. With wattage and efficincy at the forfront of CPU and GPU tech the Boreas can only become more relevant as tech gets better.

Thanks Bro .......... :thumbsup:

[Neuromancer]

If you water cool those tecs, that would be sweet. use one quad for the tecs. tecs straight to CPU. 2 quads for a GPUs... If you do add a quad for the cool side of the TEC loop, try it with no fans then low speed fans first :)

There is always the option of insane TEC cooling as well. Say 200w?

It is $45, but bear in mind it needs a power supply/regulator those uh, 24v maxwells (?) that people started using for GPUs a few years back

http://www.newark.com/multicomp/mcte1-19913l-s/peltier-cooler-200w/dp/08P1466

another consideration, getting some 15V units and just running them at 12v (they dont sell 12v)

Costs a bit more, on tec side but you could actually run them off a PSU... 2x15v 130W TECS at 12v = probably close to 200W cooling without needing separate PSU...

Yeah I know it wont look as cool as the Boreas either.

[Witchdoctor]

I have Zero experience with TEC's ........... :ohcrap:

So the biggest hurdel is learning how they work to be able to impliment action. Right now the plan is to take them off the Boreas, use two of the 4 to cool and the other two disapating the heat off the twoi cooling TEC's ... Just sandwitching them if you will to meet surface requirments, if that makes any scence at all, problem is I will cut my capacity in half and in doing so will the water heat disapation make that much of a difference gain back 100% of the performance as that would be the break even to air coupled, TBH I would be happy with that or a little better. Right now the unit does 15C better than ambient water, not sure if you saw my results table a few pages back, but here it is again if you didn't. Being I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer is there any math that can give me the answers I need based on rad surface, air speed across the rad and pump flow rates based on the output wattage of the TEC's and if so does anyone here know what the formula would look like if I could plug numbers into it ?

One thing is for sure Rich, if it works I will make it look good doing it ........ :laughing:

[Neuromancer]

first of all...

dont sink more money into this.

TEC cooling was really popular about a decade ago but was quickly realized to be an inefficient way to subambient cool.

If you are not getting subambient temps with your TECs then you are REALLY inefficiently cooling.

Here is the thing.

A TEC works by adding say 200W of electricity into this device and removing 150W of heat. It does not move it far, just from one side of the TEC to the other. Now after adding all that power to the TEC you still have to cool it.


Historically, a TEC is mounted to a CPU, then a waterblock is mounted to the TEC.

the boreas uses muliple TECs instead ofa single unit for the following reasons.

1) if on TEC fails the others are not affected
2) using multiple units allows one to space out the heat shedding to make a air cooler more efficient than a single 130W load.
3) Smaller TECs tend to be more efficient than larger ones
4) and this is related to 1/2 & 3.. cooling the hot side of the TEC more efficiently leads to better efficiency on the cold side.
5) smaller tecs used to be WAY cheaper than large ones so it was cheaper to run multiple smalls than a single large.


the problem you are having is temp swings. so what you need is a large mass to help maintain temperature levels (just like a LN2 pot or something) So try a copper clug or an alum one.


Realistic Ideas I can think of in your situation. (Honestly I would straight water cool, because hte increased electric cost for running the TECs and NOT getting subambient cooling is not worth it)

a) single high wattage TEC on a large copper slug mounted directly to CPU. Hot side goes to a waterblock and a single quad rad is capable of shedeing 5-600W of heat IIRc.. the lower the laod the more effective, like anything except electricity...

b) build yourself a watercooled boreas. the idea is basically you are removing that giant air cooled part and replacing it with a waterloop. Since I doubt all 4 of those tecs fit on a single waterblock you will probably be left with some kind of aluminum or copper block mounting. to get everything connected.

c) screw it, fuck ivy bridge, go back to SB and get yourself a nice waterblock and run single digit deltas with a single quad rad :)

[Witchdoctor]

:blink:


Thanks for the insight Rich,

I think you have convinced me this is an effort in futility.

I will have to rethink my stratagy.

Ultimently this is really being planned out as an SB-e or Haswell build, Ivy is just what I had in the rack and with it being a heat monger thought it would be a good test bed

But from what you said about the power usage has me thinking as my grinnder basicall never gets turned off ........... :ohcrap:

[Neuromancer]

dude, I would love for you to play with TEC more and school us all in how it can be, there are just certain reasons why it never made mainstream and it was not condensation.

No reason not to slap that boreas on an A6 AMD APU and clock it up to 5.5 GHz drop in a single SSD and run CPU and IGP at ambient temps as far as I can tell.. And run your awesome X79 as an awesome x79... (just pretend you are powering an socket 2011 setup :))

No tec= quad rad for CPU alone I did on i7 1366, just the rad.. no LN2 no nothing and pushed the board limits 24/7. my setup never ran not 220+ out the windows for 240 atempts :) same setup released two screws and BRRR



TBH I am just upset you spent the money on the boreas. no matter what you got it for. It upsets me.

[Witchdoctor]

O well, it does do better than water alone based on my testing.

So it does have some value and with wattages coming down so I believe one day viable solution again.

I think for now I will side line it and move in an overkill ambient water solution.

I have a big case so I can fit an untold amont of crap in there,

Thansk for all your help and insight Rich

[Witchdoctor]

Had some time this morning and installed rads, fans, resivors & pumps on the front side of the build. Odered a 250 mm res tube so if my metric conversion was correct will bring it uo the the exact same hieght as the left one, also grabbed some fill ports and multi link adapters to pipe straight out of the top using solid 13 mm arcrilic tubing found in New Jersey, being multi link is for 12mm tubing it will be a tight fit, but think it is doable, may need to grab some Orings that are a touch thinner , if not can use some simple compresion adapters

[Neuromancer]

Woo whee! Overkill build :) I like it.

[DOM]

Why didn't you put the Rad in the bottom on the other side on the top ??

[kikicoco1334]

Woo whee! Overkill build :) I like it.

overkill is underrated

[Witchdoctor]

Why didn't you put the Rad in the bottom on the other side on the top ??


There are two more going on the other side ........... :thumbsup:

8.120 for the CPU and 8.120 for the GPU :blink:

[DOM]

make sure you tie it down to the floor :laughing:

[ShrimpBrime]

first of all...

dont sink more money into this.



THIS POST IS AWESOME!!

:thumbsup:

[Witchdoctor]

Making some progress over the last few days ........ :)

http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6767&stc=1&d=1362321374

http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6768&stc=1&d=1362321374

http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6769&stc=1&d=1362321374

[DOM]

Looking good

[MaadDaawg]

Looking SWEET WD :thumbsup: wish I could bend copper like that :P

[kikicoco1334]

looks great bud!

[Kal-EL]

Shit, those real copper tubes? Thing is gonna run cool as heck with all that addtional heat dissipation.

[Neuromancer]

Freaking cool as hell! I always wanted to do a real plumbing job in a case.

[Kal-EL]

Seriously awesome sauce.

[Witchdoctor]

Thanks guys,

Finishing up some odds and end this week on the fill tubes and feed side of the loop and thern it is on to Hardware selection. Think I an going to stay with my SB-E, I have not read enough to think Haswell will bring enough to the table to make up for 2 c 4t advantage. And the chip Duke sold me seems nice enough as I am running it at 4.5 24/7 with just a single 140mm rad ATM .... So I should see an improvment with 120.8 rad

Looking at new boards the EVGA Dark and the Asus WS IB-E ready varients so it is plug and play when IB-E hits the streets , rumor has it these will hit the streets at the end of March begining of April.

Looking at existing x79 boards I have to think the Big Bang brings a lot to the table, but would really like to get a new gen x79.

Please hit me with a link if youy see anything out there while surfing around

Thanks

[Witchdoctor]

Fianlly got the fill tub fittings ........... :thumbsup:

http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6772&stc=1&d=1362444030

http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6773&stc=1&d=1362444030

http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6774&stc=1&d=1362447497

http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6775&stc=1&d=1362447497

http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6781&stc=1&d=1362614486
http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6782&stc=1&d=1362614486

[PhIlLy ChEeSe]

AWESOME SAUCE!
Did you braid them wires yourself? Love the Tubing!!!But it looks a little thin(im old!)Maybe its my eyes? I would have made it look more "BUSY" as the tubing does offer more cooling, Id have plumbing running all over the place almost like a Rad. You do Very nice work with that cooper!!
CHEERS!:Hi:

Need a deal on a SB-E hit me up I have an un molested RIVE with a 3930K 12 core

I do like the "Darth Vader" look it is giving off! To bad the cooper doesn't come in black make it like a Tuxedo look

[Witchdoctor]

thanks,

No I bought them braided like that Corsair has kits, got um on sale a Performance PC for 40 bucks on sale :)

it is relativly thing compared to the normal vinil tubing, it is only 1/4id 3/8" OD piping, but it a far less drag and actual speed of the water will be increased. We will have to see how it plays out but think it will be fine

A RIVE would look dam good mounted in there ............. :laughing:

Here are some pics I just took, have all 23 fans wired and connected to the fan bus's,,,, as well as the pumps are connected what a PITA ......... :shock:

http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6796&stc=1&d=1362856320

http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6797&stc=1&d=1362856320

[kikicoco1334]

my god dude! that looks SICK!

[PhIlLy ChEeSe]

Very nice man!
I wish I could do better on the board..............Let me Dice it first then price comes down :laughing:

[Witchdoctor]

No sweat bro............. :thumbsup:


Something will turn up :)

[Witchdoctor]

Final Specs revealed in OP ................. :thumbsup:

[DOM]

So did you order the gpus already ? Balling :rofl

I asked the wife after a lil nagging she said yes but don't think ill do it you can't just have one :blush:

[Witchdoctor]

Agreed, might as well go 2x 680

[Kal-EL]

Final Specs revealed in OP ................. :thumbsup:

:shock:

[DOM]

But there not called Titan :laughing:

Sucks I don't think I can drop that much on a card lol

Can't wait to see it come together going to be sweet :)

I bet smack would love the card cuz it has leds XD

[ThreeDhero]

Pc is on a rampage coming along nice WD

[Splave]

wow man lovin it

[Witchdoctor]

Thanks guys, wto hold out for the Ligtning additions but with rumores stating they were simply going to be a Twin Frzer cooler strapped on a reference design I figured there was no point as I am putting blocks on them anyway, Funny the difference between the Super clock addition and their signature addition is you get a t-shirt and a mouse pad ........... for only 50 bucks.... :ohcrap: new I should have gone with the signature addition, rumor has it they are 50/50 too ........... :laughing:

Edit:

Here are a few pics of the progrees

[Witchdoctor]

Took some time after work to pop in the CPU supply and return. They are not tightened in yet as I have to remove the motherboard try to install the GUP's and bridge yet, but it's coming along :)

[rickss69]

Shame to put a sidecover on it... :)

[Witchdoctor]

it's got a Window ............ :thumbsup:

[Kal-EL]

Jeebus, didn't realize the case was that big! Lookin good WD.

[PhIlLy ChEeSe]

WOW!
That thing is Genormus!

[GFDuke]

The motherboard look like a mini atx. ffs. lol

[Witchdoctor]

:laughing:

yea no shit man, freaking thing is massive, once filled with water I think it will be a two man job to move it .......... :ohcrap:

got some goodies today

[PhIlLy ChEeSe]

How much for rent? I'll bet the heat is free! :good:

[Splave]

:) going big WD :)

[Witchdoctor]

go big or stay at home ................. :thumbsup:

Have not done anything like this since the NBOC days, forgot how much fun it is building these types of systems .

[Witchdoctor]

Got one in da house ............... :thumbsup:

Second one tracked to be here tommorow :)

[MaadDaawg]

Looking sweet WD :thumbsup:

[kikicoco1334]

i demand more pictures!!!!!

[Witchdoctor]

Here's a few with the block on

[kikicoco1334]

wow WD! it looks fantastic!

[MaadDaawg]

man, I wish I had the skill to do the copper piping like that :ohcrap: Looks awesome Doc :thumbsup:

[Witchdoctor]

No skills required bro, just need a lot of extra copper for the pieces that don't work out .............. :laughing:

[Splave]

beast

[ThreeDhero]

GRats on titan WD card is real fitting to the build... ALL OUT!

[Witchdoctor]

Have hit bottom :ohcrap:



forced to whore my sevices out, (1) Light gamer and (1) Facebook server

What have I become ............... :tg:

O well another $ 500.00 towards the Titans

second one showed up and the bridge should be in the mail today ..... :thumbsup:

[Witchdoctor]

Piping is finally done ............. :thumbsup: testing for leaks tommorow

[OC Maximus]

Yep, that is very, very awesome work.

Love the copper and attention to detail.

Wonder if you'll run into any leakers.

[rickss69]

Test the loop with a MityVac...works both ways. :thumbsup:

[GFDuke]

Have you thought about shut offs to each component? It makes it alot easier to swap out hardware when you need to. And, you won't have to drain the whole system.

What size copper is that?

Looks really nice bud. Awesome work. I am very jealous.

[ThreeDhero]

Is that 1 full loop WD or did you split cpu and gpus up?

You've one amazing gamer now man outstanding cable management! Copper piping just sets it off and keeps it super clean looking bud. :clapping:

[Neuromancer]

How are you treating the copper to prevent oxidation?

[GFDuke]

Oxidation can be handled with the type of coolant you put in the loop i think.

[Witchdoctor]

Thanks guys,

@ Duke,
No I did not install shut off, but I do have a drain down valve on each loop and piped as such to be able to drian below the component it is piped to. SO while a lot of coolant is lost it is pretty painless so to speak. Being this is a gaming rig do not plan to tear it down a lot, Possible an IB-E upgrade when they are released if they are worth the price of admission . It iis 3/8' OD, smaller than typically found in PC water loops, but the piping has much less drag than the typical poly we use in water coooling

@ 3D
it is two seperate loops CPU/GPU

@ Rich
Using distilled water and PT Nuke. Not much corosion can take place in a closed loop. No diffferent than using copper blocks. Water corosion typically takes place in an open system, Like the corrosion you get at the spout of your faucet, that is because new water is introduced each time you turn it on, Once water disperses it mineral and corrosive proerties it is then nutrilized. This is why water makes an effective coolant in engines, and frozen yogurt machines ......

[rickss69]

Only thing I can think of is maybe clearcoat the lines to prevent them from turning funky colors like copper is prone to do.

[Witchdoctor]

You mean the outside of the piping....... :scared:

[rickss69]

You mean the outside of the piping....... :scared:

Yep yep! They probably have already darkened from handling with the acids in your hands/skin. Polish them a bit with steel wool, wipe em down with alcohol and give em a shot of clear from a rattle can. :thumbsup:

[GFDuke]

Thats gonna be hard since they're in the case already. Only other thing i can think of to do that now would be clear nail polish. Short of taling them out to coat them.. But yea i agree. the copper won't stay bright unless it's coated. Still a matter of taste. But i would be a shame to see it turn dullk

[Neuromancer]

You mean the outside of the piping....... :scared:

That is what I meant also :)

[Witchdoctor]

Not doing anything, age will only help in the industrial type theme I was shooting for

[GFDuke]

Nice idea.:thumbsup:

[Witchdoctor]

Yea I was trying to get some pics of the lighting, but my POS camera is not up to it, here's one all blurry though

the lighting is real sutuile in person

[GeorgeStorm]

That's a very neat looking setup :)

[Witchdoctor]

Wow dude, have not seen you around in a while, how ya doin these days ?

[GeorgeStorm]

Wow dude, have not seen you around in a while, how ya doin these days ?

Haha yeah I know, think I'll make a thread saying hey everyone.

I'm not doing too badly, haven't been benching for a while though :(

I'll make a thread :P

[Witchdoctor]

yea though many Benchtek members went to OCN with gappo

[Witchdoctor]

Still wiating on the front panel connectors but the rest of the wiring is complete, Hoping to get an OS on it this weekend. Then see what type of results I can get with this 24/7 rig

Sorry some of these pics suck pretty bad

[kikicoco1334]

looks fantastic bud!

[PhIlLy ChEeSe]

:thumbsup: Awesome sauce!

[Kal-EL]

jEEZE thats pretty bitchin mang.

[Witchdoctor]

Finally done................ :thumbsup:
OS going on this weekend, testing pump and fan speeds to find optimal, my guess is on full .......... :laughing:

Clock it up bench it and load crysis 3, have been holding out for this as I want to pin it to the wall in 3D ..... :gun6:

[kikicoco1334]

wish MD has that luck of yours xD
looks sick man! it is truly beautiful

[Kal-EL]

3Dizzle!

[PhIlLy ChEeSe]

Nice, I love MSI boards!! Not had one that would clock to high but there well made.

[Witchdoctor]

Thanks, we will see how it clocks in a few days or so.

Ultimantly this is a gamer so not expecting miricals, especially with a chip that I know only does 5ghz and change on cold.

As long as I can get enough out of it so these Titans are not standing around tapping their feet waiting for instructions I will be happy :)

[PhIlLy ChEeSe]

Thanks, we will see how it clocks in a few days or so.

Ultimantly this is a gamer so not expecting miricals, especially with a chip that I know only does 5ghz and change on cold.

As long as I can get enough out of it so these Titans are not standing around tapping their feet waiting for instructions I will be happy :)


Well my MSI P67 could do just over 5.100 on my i5 2500K, so you will like it very much!!

[GFDuke]

I hope you're entering this rig for rig on the month in some forums. Like EVGA, GURU 3D and others have contests. You could easily be in the running if not a definate win. This is in those ranks.

[rickss69]

I hope you're entering this rig for rig on the month in some forums. Like EVGA, GURU 3D and others have contests. You could easily be in the running if not a definate win. This is in those ranks.

Good idea! You know you will get at least a dozen votes from here. :thumbsup:

[Witchdoctor]

No did not enter it in any ROM contests, got bigger problems

Getting a B2 error .. can't even get to the BIOS it is a vid error, so something going on. tried everything. called MSI and they are going see if they can recreate the error on their end to see if it is a board issue, so they say. Giving them 24 hours before I tear this down. They are concerned the board has an issue with the card, I find it hard to believe but they seemed genuinely concerned once I told them the cards were Titans and swaping cards out was more than I could do over the phone. Hoping it is something like a BIOS update as I can have them flash a chip and send it to me. Reminds me Have to check, hope they are not fixed BIOS chips

Could be a dead card .......... :ohcrap:

[GFDuke]

Bummer man. No bios updates on the site?

[Witchdoctor]

Just took the cards out, wow it was easier than getting the poly off the barbs, with the drain valves I put in just had to open it lossen 4 nuts and done ... took all of 5 minutes to remove the cards, two loops = WIn I can still have the cpu under water with out having to replace the cooler so I can test vids only or CPU only. Thought it would be a bitch but the copper turns out to be easier to remove than poly

Anyway slapped another card in and off she went, going to check now few a new BIOS throw it in and see if that was it, if not one or both of these Titans are toast ... :ohcrap:

[Witchdoctor]

http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6926&stc=1&d=1364567125


BIOS Update did it, have my old win 8 desktop up and bleeding air FTW, once done will throw the bridge on to verify both cards are reconized

Glad I don't have to do the RMA thing, those blocks are a total PITA to put on

[GFDuke]

Sweet. ;)

[Kal-EL]

YEEEEEEAASS! phew, good going :)

[PhIlLy ChEeSe]

Glade to hear!!!


Now on with the pcture show! :scared:

[Witchdoctor]

Here are some Primes .........

CPU loop seems to be doing a decent job for an ambient solutuion, not to mention my

girlfriend is baking for easter so it is like 25C up in the loft http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6932&stc=1&d=1364679644

[PhIlLy ChEeSe]

:thumbsup:

[Witchdoctor]

Here's a valley run at stock GPU clocks



http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6933&stc=1&d=1364687885

[DOM]

nice

wheres the vantage power :D

my 7970 oc get 95FPS :(

[Witchdoctor]

Thansks, I will be posting Vantage numbers soon

[PhIlLy ChEeSe]

Your load temps seem spot on as my Rive board shows about the same under load with IBT, all twelve cores running.

[Witchdoctor]

yea this board is not to bad, but it ain't no RIVE that is for sure ......... :blush:

Here is a few more benches, Can't get Fire Strike and Vantage to run, may have tio throw a few more volts at it ......... :laughing:

Stock GPU clocks and stock NVCP, Have to go get Easter diimer ready :ohcrap:

[GFDuke]

I'd take your board over a RIVE any day. Of course that depends on the benchmark.

[Witchdoctor]

yea it is a capable board. Git it off a friend, It's been solid ........ :laughing:
The BIOS is a bit light compared to the RIVE though, if the RIVE BIOS is as in depth as the MVG anf the MIVE I had.

wish the bus went up in .5 increments rather than 1's though.

Real happy with the results so far though keeping in mind this is a 24/7 set up, not sitting on a rack with a pot strapped to it

Funny though this board lights up like a Chrismas tree FTW ........... :thumbsup:

hey Dom, here is a Vantage run, forgot to turn off physics though ......... :ohcrap:

[PhIlLy ChEeSe]

530 in Heaven :shock:

[Witchdoctor]

yea, thse cards are pretty sick

Stock clocks still, here is a Fire Strike result , with physics off

[DOM]

Looking good bro

And the newest vantage doesn't use physics your cpu score would be up there like your gpu score ;) so it a good run for the bot :D

[Witchdoctor]

Cool ....

Here are some Furmark results showing TDP and temp swings on a 15 minute burn and and a bench

[DOM]

I c nothing :laugh:

[rickss69]

Someone is having fun with their new toys. :)

[Witchdoctor]

:laughing:

[GFDuke]

Witchie!!! Where are you??? lol

Hows this new rig treating you?

[Witchdoctor]

What up bro?

gotta say I am loving it the little bit of time I have had to play. I dominates anything I throw at it even at 2560x1440 with eye candy maxed out.
The MSI is treating me well at 4.8 24/7 and as expensive as the Titans are they are no joke, have not even seen them break a sweat thus far.

Had a major turn around here in work as we actually are swamped, probably the first time since 2006. Went from five guys working for me to 17 with in the last month and a half, Work is crazy doing 12 to 14 hour days, cheap ass boss is still not giving me anything more other than a few small bonuses here and there. :ohcrap:
I have sold over 2.5 Million already this year that is more than I sold for the entire 2013

That and building a deck on my my house has eaten all my time up. Hard to get excited about Haswell as I am just dead beat tired all the time burning the candle at both ends.

Hoping once I am done with my deck I can chill for a bit and see what Haswell brings to the table. Hoping 7/26/13 is still a good date to meet you, Al and some of the crew in person at the East coast OC campain in Buffalo..........

Hope all is well with you and your family and you are busy as well ... :thumbsup:

it is good to hear from you bro ..........

Not sure if I posted these, but here is the finished product

[GFDuke]

Nice rig man. Sounds like a lot of fun. Work is picking up some. Nothing like it was 2-3 years ago. But it is getting better. I may not be able to get to Al's place now. I am changing my heating system over to Natural gas. So that means new boiler/burner/ hot water system. But, in the end i'll save over 2k a year in heating costs. And, the wife wants a pool. IDK why ffs. I have a camp on the lake. But I don't think i'm gonna win that battle. Unfortunately.

[PhIlLy ChEeSe]

Happy Memorial Day Guys!

@WD,
What fans are those on the face down(middle photo) rad? They look pretty deep, and killer!!!

[thebanik]

wow WD, what a rig you have built here. Super powerful and a stunner

[Witchdoctor]

Nice rig man. Sounds like a lot of fun. Work is picking up some. Nothing like it was 2-3 years ago. But it is getting better. I may not be able to get to Al's place now. I am changing my heating system over to Natural gas. So that means new boiler/burner/ hot water system. But, in the end i'll save over 2k a year in heating costs. And, the wife wants a pool. IDK why ffs. I have a camp on the lake. But I don't think i'm gonna win that battle. Unfortunately.

No kidding bro, Natural is the way to go, My gas bill was $ 42.00 last month around $ 110.00 in the hieght of winter, here in PA you stick a knife in the ground and it starts pouring out of the ground. Upstate used to be a bunch of Hillbillies, Now they are all millionars ....... We are doing ten natural gas conversions a week here. A pool is cool, but adds a lot of work ...... :ohcrap:


That is a drag about Al's I hope something cahnges and you can make it. Should be a lot of fun. Hope it is still on as I have not been around for a while. Good to hear from you though

@ Philly Yates low speed 38mm , they are some nice fans and move a great deal of air for how quite they are, the front side ar Corsair SP Silents, they are decent as well, but if had to do over again would go with the Yates fans all around. Both sets running at 6v are silent though, Really digging have to see the lights to know it is running ......... :laughing:

@ Banik Thansk man, Long time bro, hope this post finds you and your family well I have been busy with so many things these days overclocking has been on the side line for a while now. Once things settel a bit may grab a Haswell set up to play with. What I really need is a 6+ Ghz set up to bench all these retro cards with :)

Good to hear from you all, been pretty quite in these parts.........

[Witchdoctor]

Wow, it has been a busy summer, but had a bit of time this morning to have some fun all be it with only ambient cooling :ohcrap:

http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7051&stc=1&d=1374409287

http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7052&stc=1&d=1374409287

http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7053&stc=1&d=1374409287

http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7054&stc=1&d=1374409287

http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7055&stc=1&d=1374409297

[PhIlLy ChEeSe]

Nice!!
You did that on purpose.............................:blink:

[Witchdoctor]

:laughing:

here are a couple of Vantage runs single and sli


http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7056&stc=1&d=1374427002


http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7057&stc=1&d=1374427012

[Kal-EL]

Damn kick ass witchy.

[Witchdoctor]

Thanks Kal, what's new bro ?

[Kal-EL]

Just tryin to stay alive atm, lol.

[Witchdoctor]

:wtfsign: Well I hope you suceed .....


Good seeing you on the forum, don't be a stranger bro

[Kal-EL]

I'm here :) stalking threads :green9:

[Witchdoctor]

:tg:

[PhIlLy ChEeSe]

Hey WD,
Wanted to ask you can you change the strapping on the CPU with that board? Mine seems to do better at 125

[Witchdoctor]

I will have to look?

TBH though pretty happy with 5.1 on ambient cooling

tryied 5.2 everyway but upside down with no luck

Thinking you need 5.5 to 5.7 on these chips to be competetive

run it at 4.8 using 1.408 core for 24/7 solid as a rock.

Have to say though I love this platform for a dailey runner though

[PhIlLy ChEeSe]

I will have to look?

TBH though pretty happy with 5.1 on ambient cooling

tryied 5.2 everyway but upside down with no luck

Thinking you need 5.5 to 5.7 on these chips to be competetive

run it at 4.8 using 1.408 core for 24/7 solid as a rock.

Have to say though I love this platform for a dailey runner though

Yeah I like MSI!!! I used a couple of there boards though there no world class OC'ER they are great dependable boards and there CS is great too!!
I figured I'd post my score's in vantage, for what ever reason my board is now Gimped as it will not clock as high as it once did(around5200). But just to show you how well your cards are working, here ya go



Two way Vantage 7970 CPU @4700 or so
http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4766699

The only way mine would go that high(when it did) was I have a strapping adjustment, had to use a higher strap125 to make it run. IT wont do it no more pretty sure its the board holding me back now.

[Witchdoctor]

I have no complaints, Duke sold this whole platform to me over a year ago for a really great price, as he was using it to compete in the MSI overclocking contest.

Ran for a year on gimp water at 4.5 and with the new water cooling system in the grinder can run 4.8 and get 5.1 for benching. Board is stout other then it simply will not do the advertised 2400 memory. for 24/7 I run the stix at 1904 MHz 8-9-9-22 1T

can't do those timings at 5.1 thought. but defiantly one of two things either my chip has a weak IMC or the board simply can not do it what they advertise. Never asked Duke what he was getting out of the stix

is that your max clocks on the CPU ? and if the board is effed are they sending a new one ?

pondering throwing a 4930K in this, think they are droping on 9/4/13 from what I can find

But probably will stick with the 3930K as it does everything I need to do and more, may put the money into a Hassy set up to beat on

[PhIlLy ChEeSe]

I have no complaints, Duke sold this whole platform to me over a year ago for a really great price, as he was using it to compete in the MSI overclocking contest.

Ran for a year on gimp water at 4.5 and with the new water cooling system in the grinder can run 4.8 and get 5.1 for benching. Board is stout other then it simply will not do the advertised 2400 memory. for 24/7 I run the stix at 1904 MHz 8-9-9-22 1T

can't do those timings at 5.1 thought. but defiantly one of two things either my chip has a weak IMC or the board simply can not do it what they advertise. Never asked Duke what he was getting out of the stix

is that your max clocks on the CPU ? and if the board is effed are they sending a new one ?

pondering throwing a 4930K in this, think they are droping on 9/4/13 from what I can find

But probably will stick with the 3930K as it does everything I need to do and more, may put the money into a Hassy set up to beat on

Not my max stable, but it's the auto(gaming) stable for gaming on. They are offering me to send it in again, I just think its not gonna be fixed correctly and they seem like there not gonna give me a new board..................... I have a blast in BF3 THOUGH! :Hi:

[Witchdoctor]

BF4 in two months ........ :thumbsup:

Hearing EA wants 80 bucks for it though .... :ohcrap:

[PhIlLy ChEeSe]

Well I did a little better, just tooling around this AM,

62924

http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4781399

[Witchdoctor]

Nice run philly, you hit the wall or still have room for more with that chip ?

[Kal-EL]

16gigs hummin, thats a tough machine.

[PhIlLy ChEeSe]

Nice run philly, you hit the wall or still have room for more with that chip ?


Think I got more, not sure. I just turned up the multi this time and the volts. This board ran so good before I moved, then came the CAPS/ROM Bios update for windows 8(witch I don't have) Now it runs like shit and I'd love to teach it to fly out the damn window usually. Its just water, had it around 5200 last year.


@Kal
Should I remove half of the 16Gigs? Work better? Having all sorts of issue's with in now, it worked so well at first. Can't stand to even deal with it now!

[Kal-EL]

Think I got more, not sure. I just turned up the multi this time and the volts. This board ran so good before I moved, then came the CAPS/ROM Bios update for windows 8(witch I don't have) Now it runs like shit and I'd love to teach it to fly out the damn window usually. Its just water, had it around 5200 last year.


@Kal
Should I remove half of the 16Gigs? Work better? Having all sorts of issue's with in now, it worked so well at first. Can't stand to even deal with it now!

I didn't mean for you to remove mems but in regards to that, traditionally, if you runnin 4 dimms, remove two and you should have a lil more ass end stability. In another words, less stress on the imc.

[PhIlLy ChEeSe]

@WD,
Sorry to high jack your thread, I'm gonna start one for this junk ass board.
@Kal,
Makes sense! I got brand new memory 2133 it wont do that? See you guys in the other thread............
http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=5