Bye Bye AMD

[Witchdoctor]

This is real bad news ........... will Intel even try anymore ........ :ohcrap:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Not-Competing-With-Intel-Anymore-Goes-Mobile-237103.shtml

I think they are in for a can of woopass in the mobil scene as well :scared:

Anybody know if there is any merit to this ???

[MaadDaawg]

AMD hasn't been competing for years :D

Could suck on the priceage though :thumbdown:

[OC Maximus]

I see Kal was mentioned in the article :)

[kikicoco1334]

SHIT! where is my ass?
I think I laughed my ass off now I can't find it anymore....


but think again, if AMD is out of the picture will intel even try anymore cuz that's one of the few motivation they had before AMD decided to suck some major corn holes......

[MaadDaawg]

SHIT! where is my ass?
I think I laughed my ass off now I can't find it anymore....


but think again, if AMD is out of the picture will intel even try anymore cuz that's one of the few motivation they had before AMD decided to suck some major corn holes......

I don't think there is much evidence that pressure from AMD has driven the Intel innovation machine for decades (if ever). I'm thinking that once AMD started competing in the courtroom rather then teh marketplace the writing was on the wall.

Intel is an "industry driver". With Intel's market share and capitalization it would be daunting task, and therefore a very high risk proposition for any investors looking to challenge Intel in their own ballpark. First they would need massive monetary injections just to open the door, then, they would need to develop an earth shattering product that would revolutionize the industry, and harder still, be in any position to ramp up production to a scale able to complete with Intel.

Next would be years of litigation where Intel claims copywright infringement and ties up a new comapaies resources locked inside a court case. They would find it hard to introduce their first produt for many years until teh courts make a decision one way or the other.

umm... not to mention the software that runs the world is written to run on Intel processors

Each innovative property they add to their product line, the create another revenue stream. It is simply to their advantage to constantly introducing new devices with greater functionality.

Marketing is inexpensive since the have no real comptitors.

Pricing should be kept close to current, not withstanding any severe market destructive influences like Obama getting set to help them like he helped Gibson Goutars :rofl:

Intel is one of the few companys rated strong enough to survive another SEVERE economic downturn, and they consistently pay dividends. I don't see the lack of AMD competition :rofl::rofl: but I suspect thier price point won't move much if any because their current pricing strategy seems to drive their business model extremely well.

I agree AMDs will get it's ass kicked in teh mobile market for the reason's it tanked and buned on teh desktop.

Unless of course, they are wiling to give the chips away below :keeporder:

IMO of course

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[kikicoco1334]

WOW MD! that's very detailly broken down.
TBH most the games I know they are mainly Intel/nVidia based I honestly never got the idea of why AMD bought out ATi in the first place. The only time I went AMD over Intel was back during the Athlon XP years, it was faster and got a little extra room to play with. But ever since the 775 Intel took off, it went up so fast they AMD really didn't have a chance.

After I got my first 775 setup I tried AMD again I promised myself I'd never go AMD again, it went from Project Blue to Project code name Pain in my (THE) ass couldn't sale that rig fast enough.

I have always felt that AMD have always been trying to come after Intel's ideas, remember the Netbook? Intel Atom chips? then years later they just came out with the AMD Neo most people don't even know that chip, because it was SO FUCKING SLOW! they completely down sized the chip so extremely slow it can't really run Vista. From what I remembered it was about the same speed as the 478 Pentium 4 mobile chip Centrino (first gen) then Intel went 479 which is still in most laptops that's got Core 2 based chips before them went 988 or 1388 what ever the hell those 1st gen Core i7/i5/i3's are.

Then the new Bulldozer happened......
They hit 8GHz like crazy gotta give them that!
Ain't gonna lie tho I'm really thinking about getting a set of those and just hit 8GHz then set that sum'bitch on fire and be done with it :D


(is there a AMD chip that's faster then Intel in anyway? I remember reading about Bushiller is faster then 2600k on mutimedia encoding or something)

IDK how much time I have left, but before I die I MUST HIT 8GHz!
Edit: at least once

[Neuromancer]

This is not news. AMD said quite a while ago that they were looking to expand their mobile and UVLP processor lineup, since that in effect is where the money is at teh minute.

That said, no where did AMD actually it say was giving up on desktop processors, and considering how well their low power desktops chips are performing, I see many years of AMD desktops in the future.

So sick of editorials being posted as news.

Hopefully I can get my hands on a bulldozer after Christmas to see if it is as bad as they say. Biggest issue I thought was the power draw.

[BenchZowner]

It's not like the ULP and mobile segment is so free of very good companies ( Intel, Texas Instruments, nVIDIA "Kal-El", etc ) :P

[Witchdoctor]

Not meant to be posted as news Rich, was posting to see if anyone new if there was any validity to the artical........... :)

Well that is insightful Daawg

AMD Athlon 64 was the the motivation behind the tic toc release cycle we now enjoy, they in effect woke a sleeping giant. form P4 bloated hell where intel was in a reactionary R & D cycle

Reminds me of pearl Harbor in a sick twisted demented way.

I hope they do stay in the game as it only takes one good idea to close the preformance gap, Shame they have not hit the nail on te head latley but they make very capable gaming chips and said not to cold bug, but never tested that .... :blush:

Lets not forget top clock in history as well ........ :thumbsup:

Back in the day I was an avid AMD guy until core tech was born from a chip called centrino ........

Gotta love the new nv Kal El chip named after the boss ............. :clapping:
Think the use it in the samsung Galaxy, but not sure

[BenchZowner]

There's no Kal-El pda/phone yet.
The Samsung Galaxy and Galaxy SII aren't Kal-El based either.

[Neuromancer]

I was nto saying you posted it as News witchy. Just been roaming around the internet a bit lately and see a lot of "new posters" out there that are putting up editorials as news.

(When someone injects their own opinions into a news article it is an editorial, and it always BASED on news...)


Yes there is a lot of competition already in the UVLP markets, but AMD has been working towards it for a while now. Look at their low pwer desktop chips, Fusion/Llano whatever its called. That shit is great, I built a a-6 cpu setup for a buddy of mine, ran windows 7 while running linux and XP in VMs perfectly, no stuttering no slowdowns. Just excellent tech.

Why they didn't make a 8 core version of this I do not know. I would surmise that architecturally it would not be capable of 5GHz performance?

[kikicoco1334]

I though Superman chips are from nVidia am I wrong again? Q.Q

[Neuromancer]

they are nvidia built yes

[ReverendMaynard]

Long time coming but a good move. PC market is dying, mobile is exploding. Go where the $ is.

[Splave]

Dear AMD......



http://smithsunion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/GTFO-Star-Trek-Picard-Point.jpg

[kikicoco1334]

Oh dear Mr.Splave!
That pretty much made my day!

But correct me if I am wrong, but nVidia pretty much got the mobile phone and tablet market and Intel pretty much got most of the mobile computer market I REALLY don't see how AMD is gonna try break into YEARS of work and all the reputation has been built up already.....

[MaadDaawg]

Dear AMD......



http://smithsunion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/GTFO-Star-Trek-Picard-Point.jpg

hahahahahahahahahaha
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

LOVE IT :D

BTW. I'm working on an extreme cooling solution for overclocking my Droid X ... keep your lips sealed, there are spies everywhere :keeporder:

[kikicoco1334]

hahahahahahahahahaha
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

LOVE IT :D

BTW. I'm working on an extreme cooling solution for overclocking my Droid X ... keep your lips sealed, there are spies everywhere :keeporder:

You gotta hack your fone first bro!
and after that it's easy as hell i monna be overclocking the HTC EVO this winter break

[Witchdoctor]

Damm Al ..........

My freaking beer is coming out of my nose dude.......... I am not sure I will survive the ordeal ..... :laughing:

[DOM]

Damm Al ..........

My freaking beer is coming out of my nose dude.......... I am not sure I will survive the ordeal ..... :laughing:

Damn already drinking :rofl

[Witchdoctor]

Hell yea..... I been home for 20 minutes :thumbsup:

[Splave]

man im still at work you bastage! Guess working late one day a month (not benching lol) aint so bad

[kikicoco1334]

Damn already drinking :rofl
It's called grown up

[DOM]

It's called grown up

U still mad :laughing:

[MaadDaawg]

I need a drink :D

[DOM]

Me to... But I'm at work :(

[kikicoco1334]

I need a drink :D
Don't we all? :D
The worst part is I am 21 already and I still have to hide my drinks

[DOM]

Don't we all? :D
The worst part is I am 21 already and I still have to hide my drinks

Cuz Ur not grown up and have no balls :rofl

[kikicoco1334]

Cuz Ur not grown up and have no balls :rofl
And you are the one talking? :blink:

[DOM]

And you are the one talking? :blink:
my stuff is in the frezer not scared that i have to hide it like a...... :taunt:

well anyone see this

AMD still committed to x86
http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/29/2596978/amd-committed-to-x86

[kikicoco1334]

I saw that too, I am not sure what to think of it atm

[MaadDaawg]

Cuz Ur not grown up and have no balls :rofl

What do you mean DOM, he's of legal drinking age :D

[ShrimpBrime]

AMD still committed to x86
http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/29/2596978/amd-committed-to-x86

The road map goes beyond 2013.

BullDozer PileDriver, SteamRoller and then 2014, Excavator.

If they are leaving the market, it won't be in the next three years or more.

[BenchZowner]

What they said, and will supposedly be doing is not FOCUS into high performance desktop CPUs.
As in, they'll still release new chips, etc, but won't be the product of a "huge effort" in order to tie or surpass Intel.

In other words, expect BD v2, BD v3 ( with both being significantly slower than the new Intel CPUs that will come ).

[AmericanNightmare]

All doomsaying aside AMD chips are flying off the shelves especially their APU's. Show be a SB or SB-E that will do 8GHz as well. I don't think AMD has intended to release a product for a long time that would surpass Intel and have said so before this came out. Bulldozer was intended to surpass Deneb which it did. They have been realistic about their inability to go toe to toe with Intel for a long time now so I see this as nothing new.

For them doing so poorly I sure do see a lot of "just bought an 8120/8150" threads floating around the internet.

[Witchdoctor]

Yea I see a lot of that as well, but I think for the porposes of what we typically are focused on around here AKA world records they just are not a viable solution although great hardware grinders fo sho

[BenchZowner]

How many FX-8120s & FX-8150s you guys think they have actually sold ? ( sold to clients, not to distributors, not that these numbers will be unbalanced in this case, with AMD's very limited 8120 & 8150 supply )

[Witchdoctor]

I do not know but I have to think not as many as they would have liked

I see these chips making a splash in the oem market for lower cost grinding solutions

They run Facebook rather well...................:laughing:

[MaadDaawg]

I do not know but I have to think not as many as they would have liked

I see these chips making a splash in the ocean for lower cost grinding solutions

They run Facebook rather well...................:laughing:

:rofl: made a slight adjustment WD (above) :rofl:

[Witchdoctor]

:laughing:

[ShrimpBrime]

What they said, and will supposedly be doing is not FOCUS into high performance desktop CPUs.
As in, they'll still release new chips, etc, but won't be the product of a "huge effort" in order to tie or surpass Intel.

In other words, expect BD v2, BD v3 ( with both being significantly slower than the new Intel CPUs that will come ).

They won't be as fast as people want. It's got less transisters per x86 core. Simple as that.

The 8170 released Q1 (supposedly) will be Octo with 3.9ghz clock and 4.5ghz Turbo and probably do 5ghz or better daily for extremists. I believe the new stepping will be C0 and should be a better all around cpu.

If AMD found a way for the actual module to act as a single core, it would be a fast cpu.

[BenchZowner]

There's no way to make a module ( the term is compute unit, there's no module in any microprocessor engineering book ) appear/act as a single core.

Also expecting to see an eight-core FX working operate fully stable for 24/7 usage over 5GHz on air cooling is more than a daydream, and even if they ( let me enhance the dream ) could make BD like 10% faster with a revision [ simply impossible, just saying :D ] and even make them have a decent average air cooled overclock at approx 5.5GHz, it'd still not be enough to match the 2600K.

[MaadDaawg]

The K6 was a hot processor :D

[ShrimpBrime]

There's no way to make a module ( the term is compute unit, there's no module in any microprocessor engineering book ) appear/act as a single core.

Also expecting to see an eight-core FX working operate fully stable for 24/7 usage over 5GHz on air cooling is more than a daydream, and even if they ( let me enhance the dream ) could make BD like 10% faster with a revision [ simply impossible, just saying :D ] and even make them have a decent average air cooled overclock at approx 5.5GHz, it'd still not be enough to match the 2600K.

10% is not that much. The last x86 (phenom II) architecture gained 10%. Why not this one?? C2 and C3. Big difference. Night and day actually.

__Cpu__Stp___stock___MaxTurbo
FX-8150 B2 3.6 GHz 4.2 GHz
FX-8170 C0 3.9 GHz 4.5 GHz

The above is only 60mhz shy of 10%.

I don't do the Intel vs AMD fyi. Already know i7 is faster.

[BenchZowner]

Phenom II is not just a process revision of Phenom I.

Clock per clock ( better performance at the same frequency ) is nowhere to be found in almost every single core revision ever.
Core i7 920 C0 vs D0... clock both at the same frequency, and show me a difference in performance
Core 2 Quad Q6600 B3 vs G0... clock both at the same frequency and show me a difference ;)
...etc

[Gutterz]

Seems that their is 800 million less transistors than thought on Bulldozer.

source
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/21780/faildozer_strikes_again_bulldozer_actually_has_800 _million_less_transistors_than_originally_thought/index.html

[BenchZowner]

Allow me to doubt their new number.
1.2B transistors is unbelievable, especially with those huge caches.
Chip must be around 1.5-1.7B in reality ( looks like AMD thinks numbers aren't important [ transistor count, pricing, performance figures :P ] :P )

[MaadDaawg]

:rofl: AMD :rofl:

[ShrimpBrime]

Phenom II is not just a process revision of Phenom I.

Clock per clock ( better performance at the same frequency ) is nowhere to be found in almost every single core revision ever.


Has the x86 core changed in forever? Nope.....

Trinity should be released soon (APU) with a presumed up to and exceeding 20% performance increase over current A8 APU's.

Aren't the i7's APU based chips? Not just cpu's but also have IGP right?

How will these Trinity APU's compare to i7's? Is it all strictly about cpu performance? Or is a cpu worthless with garbage IGP?

JW cause I know very very little about Intel. It's beyond my budget capabilities.

[ShrimpBrime]

( looks like AMD thinks numbers aren't important [ transistor count, pricing, performance figures :P ] :P )

Intel did this with NetBurst.... :thumbdown:

[BenchZowner]

Aren't the i7's APU based chips? Not just cpu's but also have IGP right?

They have, but if you're spending 200$+ on a CPU, I believe you can afford a 70$ VGA which blows away the on-die ( inside the CPU ) graphics processor ( both Intel's and AMD's Llano ).

How will these Trinity APU's compare to i7's? Is it all strictly about cpu performance? Or is a cpu worthless with garbage IGP?

CPU-wise they suck balls.
Slow as hell.
GPU-wise the Trinity chips should be better even when compared to Ivy Bridge's i5/i7-3xxx LGA1155 on-die GPU ( unless Intel goes way above our expectations and current performance information )

CPU's with integrated graphics processors are good for HTPC ( Home Theater PCs ) and netbooks and entry-level laptops, that's just it.
Gaming + IGP = not getting along.

[ShrimpBrime]

Gaming + IGP = not getting along.

Funny, my son's rig is HTPC/Gaming blend on a 47" LG Flatscreen and I'm not having any issues at all.

When I had it for testing and benching, I happened to run Black Ops Zombies with it. Had not one issue and ran smoothly.

Just my experience so far with it. My son mostly plays TF2 and it's between 45-70FPS depending on map and player load, max settings max resolution on the 47".

I can produce picture proof if needed. But I think the AMD IGP's are a little tad under estimated.

[Neuromancer]

Yeah most of the PCs in my house are IGP gamers, only one that cant is intels sandyB. the 3000 is a little smoother but the 2000 has issues with multimonitor and HD playback on one secreen and a game like freecell on the second :(

BUT: they are not playing COD/BF/ type of games. Harry potter/ Barbie types of games is what is normal. Wizard 101 with HD texture pack etc.

[ShrimpBrime]

The APU's are good for like 22" and below and low res, but can play the newer games. I also tested the APU playing F3AR or Fear 3 if you will.

The 6 series IGP did surprisingly well. Blows away any other onboard IGP I've ever touched.

EDIT: Keep in mind I'm talking about stock, did even better when OC'ed ;)

[BenchZowner]

Maximum details in which game ? And at what resolution ?
Forget about the first question, because it is granted that no IGP can handle any serious game ( Crysis 1/2, BFBC2, BF3, Assassins Creed, Hawx, Resident Evil 5, NFS Shift, anything... ) at maximum details even at just 1024x768.
Unless you consider 5fps minimum, 10fps avg, 12fps max playable framerates :P

[MaadDaawg]

What's an AMD ? Know I heard that acroynm a long time ago, maybe a decade or two? They were supposed to dominate something or other, can't remember what.

Oh, weren't they the main competitor of Cyrex? Weren't they the first one to put multi-media profiles on their chips. First in anti-virus too IIRC?. Or were they the ones that abused a licensing agreement to "invent" their own x86 compatible chips? Been so long ago, I get confused

Guess they dominated the brands who weren't going to survive, but? one must ask the question on whether or not this AMD thing had anything to do with their demise, or if it was Darwiniasm at it's best?

Had it not been the millions and billions of stars, wait - that's someone else, okay - if it had not been for the billions of dollars the courts ordered Intel to pay AMD, would AMD still be alive or would they have gone the way of Cyrex, Radio Shack, and all the other non-players?

Looking more and more that AMD, whatever it is, will survive as a niche player at best.

Oh well :D

[Witchdoctor]

Well I hope AMD still presses on, They have as good of chance at hitting something that works as well as something that doesn't

The new chip = FAIL for us but will see a lot of action in entry level laptops and desktops at the big box stores,

Maybe the next one will be good ............. :thumbsup:

My whole thing here is the lack of competition could bring a complacency to Intel and actually slow down progress as we are spoon fed small incremental bumps in performance to maximize Intels profitability :ohcrap:

Lets face it, in the GPU market dominated by nVidia, AMD is close enough to keep them honest and one slip means the preformance crown

This keeps the R & D at nV on their game and motivated.

I just wonder what will motivate the fatcat chip maker in the CPU arena

[MaadDaawg]

A lot of maybes in that thar post WD :rofl:

[Neuromancer]

I <3 AMD.

then again when it comes to RC, I prefer brushless to nitro. Nitro might be faster but brushless has that instant snap that Intel err I mean nitro lacks :)

[ShrimpBrime]

Maximum details in which game ? And at what resolution ?
Forget about the first question, because it is granted that no IGP can handle any serious game ( Crysis 1/2, BFBC2, BF3, Assassins Creed, Hawx, Resident Evil 5, NFS Shift, anything... ) at maximum details even at just 1024x768.
Unless you consider 5fps minimum, 10fps avg, 12fps max playable framerates :P

I suppose next time I get a chance, I'll slap in one of your suggested games and run it on the IGP and big screen. Most of those games are playable.

The Llano rig at my house here dedicates TWO gigs of Ram to the Gpu. That's more ram than most 70$ cards you'll purchase.

[Mr.Scott]

I <3 AMD.

then again when it comes to RC, I prefer brushless to nitro. Nitro might be faster but brushless has that instant snap that Intel err I mean nitro lacks :)
I see what you did there.;)

[ShrimpBrime]

Crysis + 3850 stock Llano + IGP 6550D + 47" LG @ Med settings 1024x768 OR 1920 x 1080 on low. In a window @ 1024 it'll run High settings and is as large as my 22" monitor on the 47" TV and not using an HDMI cable either even though I should be.

Merry Christmas + Happy New Years btw!