Bulldozer overclocking no longer a doubt

[Neuromancer]

8400+ MHz is not bad for a chip not even released yet :)

http://www.overclockers.com/amd-fx-bulldozer-breaks-cpu-frequency-world-record/

[Splave]

ES
When I see a retail by someone I know and trust I will be interdasted. Could be like A0 version of intel chips

[Witchdoctor]

SICK ....... :blink:

Seems like a platform that may be worth a peak

the ROG board they are using is only 240 bucks, cheap when compared to the Intel counterpart

[Neuromancer]

Yeah that was why I always say AMD systems are less expensive, its not just the chips.

[punx223]

what good is all of that speed if the 8 core CPU does not but maybe come close to an i5 with half the cores in performance?

im not trying to be an AMD basher here but for gaming and the like it may be cool as AMD systems have always been "smoother" for gaming in my experience, but seems like AMD is still missing alot on the efficiency end tbh.

[Witchdoctor]

I think it would be fun to play with just for something different.

What is way cool is that you buy a 990fx and you can also bench a bijillion other chips on the cheap for hardware glory.

Or save for 2011............. :ohcrap:

Decisions decisions

[punx223]

I think it would be fun to play with just for something different.

What is way cool is that you buy a 990fx and you can also bench a bijillion other chips on the cheap for hardware glory.

Or save for 2011............. :ohcrap:

Decisions decisions

I agree, I would like to see how well the 990FX clocks on the older chips :)

[Mr.Scott]

what good is all of that speed if the 8 core CPU does not but maybe come close to an i5 with half the cores in performance?

im not trying to be an AMD basher here but for gaming and the like it may be cool as AMD systems have always been "smoother" for gaming in my experience, but seems like AMD is still missing alot on the efficiency end tbh.
Where is that info coming from?

[punx223]

Where is that info coming from?

haha...

:cool3:

give it time bro the benchmark results will be up soon...

[punx223]

btw I just read my post and im not trying to troll the thread or anything I think being able to run almost 8.5 GHz is absolutely nuts as intel has only been able to do close to 8 or so on lower model celeron cpus.

and im not an AMD basher as I think AMD systems have always been smoother in games. but the process technology still seems to need some improvement, and I really wish it was competitive because then intel would have 2 choices... lower prices or get better.... either one is good for our hobby.

[Witchdoctor]

one of these days...........

first to 1Ghz and you remeber the Athy 64 ......... They pwnd Intel

I have to say............. they are over due,

I think many have writen them off but it only take one good idea to capture the crown................ :thumbsup:

I am pulling for them and curious of this gens FX chips preformance

We know now if retail is as good as these ES chips they will have some serious clocks..........

[Mr.Scott]

what good is all of that speed if the 8 core CPU does not but maybe come close to an i5 with half the cores in performance?


I was just wondering where you got this from, or whether you just pulled it out your ass is all. I guess I'll have to just wait.

[Neuromancer]

Its okay Shannon AMD bashing is allowed, we aint some Nazi site. I am a HUGE AMD proponent though so if I get fiesty and rip your asshole, just tell me to calm down ;)

lol

I do agree with the per clock comments in all honesty, Intel excels at 16bit instructions, AMD cant match it. Superpi, pifast, Wprime, even some "modern" benchmarks still use 16bit instructions. But SOOO many apps people use are still old code.

Intel has absorbed the same thing that AMD has known for a while.. GPU processing make CPU better. problem is, gpu processing still sucks by and large. Except in specific tasks can parallel processing be used. there is a reason CPUs and different than GPUs. GPUs suck at doing multiple things. Whats the new word for it? Out of Order processing?

AMD makes a damn fine setup for your money. Gotta remember that except for some flagship stuff and some overpriced stuff, you can get a pretty feature packed motherboard for about half what the intel version costs. Oh, and you got SLI licensing on AMD now too.. so that argument is out hte window.

AVX is meh... At 1080p to 720P AVX was 20% faster than CPU only handbrake encoding. Of course handbrake made a file half the size. When it came to 1080P to Ipod, handbrake was 20% faster and was 20% larger filesize.


FYI: The thuban 6 core is slower than a 2600K in many multi threaded tests. Still faster than a 2500K.

I am cool with the "Intel has more performance" crown based on HWbot benchmarks. Course they are old. Some a decade so. Realworld tests are far different. Some show an Intel lead. (differnce of 100-120FPS in some games at 10 year old resolutions like 1024-768)

[punx223]

I was just wondering where you got this from, or whether you just pulled it out your ass is all. I guess I'll have to just wait.

nah not outta my ass at all tbh. but info will be out soon bro.

I dont deal in speculation.... hell the 8 chips they had to clock were binned before the event..

the ones they had otherwise were running air at 4.8GHz and water/ss at 5GHz+

thats all public info.

however the benchmark info, I wish was FUD cause then I would have alot more to hope for but then again you never know the respin or next version of these FX chips could be killers.... hell Ive been waiting since my last FX chip for AMD to be on top again..... if theres competition at the top its only good for us man...

no disrespect intended and not trying to derail thread or piss off AMD lyal as they are good chips but noit what I was hoping for. hell 8 cores running kinda equivelant to 4.... in some cases in nehalem range but it varied from bench to bench tbh.

[punx223]

Its okay Shannon AMD bashing is allowed, we aint some Nazi site. I am a HUGE AMD proponent though so if I get fiesty and rip your asshole, just tell me to calm down ;)

lol

I do agree with the per clock comments in all honesty, Intel excels at 16bit instructions, AMD cant match it. Superpi, pifast, Wprime, even some "modern" benchmarks still use 16bit instructions. But SOOO many apps people use are still old code.

Intel has absorbed the same thing that AMD has known for a while.. GPU processing make CPU better. problem is, gpu processing still sucks by and large. Except in specific tasks can parallel processing be used. there is a reason CPUs and different than GPUs. GPUs suck at doing multiple things. Whats the new word for it? Out of Order processing?

AMD makes a damn fine setup for your money. Gotta remember that except for some flagship stuff and some overpriced stuff, you can get a pretty feature packed motherboard for about half what the intel version costs. Oh, and you got SLI licensing on AMD now too.. so that argument is out hte window.

FYI.. AVX is meh... At 1080p to 720P AVX was 20% faster than CPU only handbrake encoding. Of course handbrake made a file half the size. When it came to 1080P to Ipod, handbrake was 20% faster and was 20% larger filesize. Hmmm


FYI: The thuban 6 core is slower than a 2600K in many multi threaded tests. Still faster than a 2500K.

Thanks dude,

And like I said I have always felt that in gaming for some reason AMD has always been smoother... but then again we are on Overclockaholics here, and honestly we overclock and run benchmarks... (recently I tend to game alot too) but all in all I was hoping for something taht would match or possibly beat at least what was out now especially being 8 physical cores instead of 4 hyperthreaded ones.

hell I was a HUGE AMd porponent when I had my older FX chips but after trhat they kinda faded in my eyes as efficiency gre with intel and AMD for some reason didnt follow suit...


btw LOL @ the GPU out of order processing :p

[Neuromancer]

I do not consider the new "8 core" cpus to be true 8 cores since they share resources with another core. Its more like super hyper-threading. But get poopooed when I bring that up

FYI: I got new love for AMD after playing with a thuban and a 990FX setup. :) ohh. that reminds me gotta see if I can pull 16'20 on the Sabretooth. Ud5 is a solid clocker man, bred for clocking, and demands to be frozen, unfortunately gigabyte forgot their roots and priced it like it was a full featured ASUS board. (It has no features, no accessories, but a hell of a power train and cost 2 bills)

Ohh and the UD7 apparently uses the same VRM controller which from google, some chinese dude says is a 10phase controller. As far as I can tell based on intersil spec sheets (no infor on actual chip) is a 6 phases paralell controller, 4 for the 8 cpu phases, 1 for the 2 NB phases and 1 for I forget lol... memory I guess, thats always my failing ;) )

ISL6330 GCRZ

[punx223]

I do not consider the new "8 core" cpus to be true 8 cores since they share resources with another core. Its more like super hyper-threading. But get poopooed when I bring that up

FYI: I got new love for AMD after playing with a thuban and a 990FX setup. :) ohh. that reminds me gotta see if I can pull 16'20 on the Sabretooth. Ud5 is a solid clocker man, bred for clocking, and demands to be frozen, unfortunately gigabyte forgot their roots and priced it like it was a full featured ASUS board. (It has no features, no accessories, but a hell of a power train and cost 2 bills)

Ohh and the UD7 apparently uses the same VRM controller which from google, some chinese dude says is a 10phase controller. As far as I can tell based on intersil spec sheets (no infor on actual chip) is a 6 phases paralell controller, 4 for the 8 cpu phases, 1 for the 2 NB phases and 1 for I forget lol... memory I guess, thats always my failing ;) )

ISL6330 GCRZ


Sounds killer :) lets see what you can do on that thing man.

[Neuromancer]

I will be lucky enough to afford one of the cheap quads that is locked. Or was that intel?

Most DDR3 boards seem to hit a 310 ish HTREF wall, even under extreme conditions. So no records from me, hell i do not have the time to bench what I got in front of me :( I should be kicked off the team.

ud5 hit 311 on air, went for 315 and crashed. Sold it already though as I needed smoke money.

[DrNip]

Might be slower than Intel in many of benches but something about 8ghz sounds like fun to me.

[Neuromancer]

Leave 10 year old benches to Intel :)

Leave modern benches to 8 Ghz 8 cores w00t w00t

[Witchdoctor]

I have been looking at 990FX, looks like fun to me as well .............. :thumbsup:

and a ROG board for 220 bucks = WIN

[Neuromancer]

I have been looking at 990FX, looks like fun to me as well .............. :thumbsup:

and a ROG board for 220 bucks = WIN

I dont normally recommend, but if you can get a gigabutt board like the ud5 for cheap do so. its to pricey at retail cost... (2 bills on newegg) but at 40 lower.. the power train is excellent.

Intersil PWM controller, Vishay/silconix MOSFETs, nichicon/Fujitsu solid caps and for hte p-fets, niko semis all around.

Only issue I can see, and its not written.. I cant find a data sheet on the intersil... is it might be a 0-70C temp range based on its GCRZ controller, the AIRCZ ones are rated to -40. And that close to the CPU... might be an issue.

[Kal-EL]

Great if you're an LHe accessible oc enthusiast, sad if using Ln2 you can only pull off 6.5ghz. The great thing about the cedar's was Ln2 kept it cool.

Regardless, new tech is always fun tech :) especially when it be cheapah.

[Neuromancer]

Great if you're an LHe accessible oc enthusiast, sad if using Ln2 you can only pull off 6.5ghz. The great thing about the cedar's was Ln2 kept it cool.

Regardless, new tech is always fun tech :) especially when it be cheapah.

7.8 on the ES samples actualy.. which means... x.x or 8 ghz once in the hands of serious clockers.

Dont matter what intel ES chips clock worse than retail samples? Puhlease.

$300 for high end AMD... lol x79 chips are going to be a 500-1000 and aint even going to be complete

(funny that intel storage is worse than marvell storage now... look at the new chip from them :) whee about time that someone came out with a CPU accelerated chip that outperformed intels own storage CPU accelerated chip :) )

[punx223]

the chips they had yes were ES but on LN2 they were high 7's on the GHz scale but also remember that they are hand picked samples. they binned a bunch and wound up with 8 of them that did 8+ GHz

but as we know ES vs retail could be either bad or good we will have to see when retail arrives.

[Neuromancer]

OF course it is an ES sample parade.

So all 980X vantage score should be moot that pass 6+ GHz? right? Obvious ES ;)
Just saying, I do not care, does not effect me in hte slightest, I ma a OC n00b. It effects you pros maybe. not me though.

[Kal-EL]

Who's the asshat critizing my buddy NEcRomancer?

[Witchdoctor]

:ohcrap:


I am just in it for the fun of it all,

Thanks for the tip on the UD5,

Off to the research lab (Evil Laugh)

Edit,

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Edit,

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[Splave]

One thing I do miss about amd is having the pins on the chip lol they seem more beefy then the ones on the boards in intel land.

If this is only good for cpu-z, I will stick to $5 celerons all day.

[Witchdoctor]

harware boints ...... these boards can run a ton of chips FTW

Don't thnk this platform will see any global lovin ......... :shock:

CPUZ isn't even counted any more I thought ???

[Splave]

it was petitioned back in

witchie I do know that in order to run the older chips like semperon 134's etc 790 ddr2 boards clocked way higher then 890 ddr3 boards. When I was using crosshair IV to run single core wprimes it was a dog pure mhz wise compared to an old gigabyte 790 board. I hope the new boards arent like this.

[Patch]

I could care less who makes what, I just want to bench the good stuff.

In this day of binning $500 GPU's for a few more Mhz, I'd probably drop $500 for a coldbug-free CPU/mobo combo to play in the 8ghz range - even if it's just for CPUZ.

[Witchdoctor]

Thansk for the heads up Al, I have not touched an Athlon since the 939 days .... :ohcrap:

May have to look in a different direction. Thought the 990FX would be the endall flagship for old and new .....

Have to do some reading on this, maybe holding for LGA2011 is a good idea, just looking for something to bench these days ......... :laughing:
My other hardware is wrapped up in a gaming rig.
Feeling the pain of college tuition these days ............................. :shock:

[Neuromancer]

For locked multi chips, DDR2 will get you into the 100% OC Range, DDR3 boards tend to fall down around 50%.

[lesstutrey]

saw that and was amazed... LHe seems to do amazing things though. though all the LHe records with the 955 got erased by LN2 users eventually.

[OC Maximus]

All these numbers and acronyms make my head hurt. :Dizzy:

:P