View Full Version : Thermaltake Frio testing
rickss69
09-03-2011, 07:12 AM
I have two of these on hand and for sale atm so I decided to test one out on a SB platform. I was surprised at how well it did as I have not messed with any air coolers in quiet some time.
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq69/rickss69/Friocooler002.jpg
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq69/rickss69/5GHzat144volts.jpg
MaadDaawg
09-03-2011, 07:18 AM
Rick, that's the old model with the staggered heat pipes. The new one, the OCK version, is much more gaudy looking.
I bought a couple of Corsair A70s for tuneup purposes and they work great too.
air cooling has come a long way
rickss69
09-03-2011, 07:26 AM
Funny...thinking back a few years ago, who would have envisioned 5GHz using air cooling lol.
I remember the 875K punishing it tho...
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq69/rickss69/WPrime-42GHz.jpg
MaadDaawg
09-03-2011, 08:25 AM
huh... don't remember an i7 875K ???
Put a couple of Delta xhi speed fans on both sides and these HSs really work :P
rickss69
09-03-2011, 09:04 AM
huh... don't remember an i7 875K ???
Put a couple of Delta xhi speed fans on both sides and these HSs really work :P
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116368
Kal-EL
09-03-2011, 09:32 AM
5ghz is quite nice on any platform and with sb you get serious performance. Nice setup rick.
punx223
09-03-2011, 11:31 PM
The OCK will drop it a couple more degrees ;)
middydj
09-19-2011, 11:36 AM
Picked up one of these back in July. Not bad at all.
Neuromancer
09-21-2011, 03:45 PM
5ghz is quite nice on any platform and with sb you get serious performance. Nice setup rick.
I personally think my 4 GHz sandy B is slow as balls now after p[laying around on AMD again. I hate going to my SandyB rig.
Kal-EL
09-22-2011, 09:21 PM
I personally think my 4 GHz sandy B is slow as balls now after p[laying around on AMD again. I hate going to my SandyB rig.
4ghz or 5ghz?
MaadDaawg
09-23-2011, 05:47 AM
Hell, 4Ghz IS slow as balls, although I've never heard that phrase before :taunt:
As compared to Fast as Balls? Running? Pumping? Other? :D
:rofl:
OC Maximus
09-24-2011, 02:08 AM
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Bones
10-07-2011, 05:56 PM
Figured I'd throw in here since I have the Frio I won in the comp set up with the Thuban and my "New" CHV board.
I already have some pics of what it looks like and have already noted as many have said you have to use low profile RAM with it. Anything with a upward heatspreader extension will not work but sticks that look like the older RAM types will be fine with it.
I'll give the TIM a few days to setup properly and I'll begin OC'ing it to see how well it works.
More to come.
Kal-EL
10-07-2011, 07:03 PM
Lotta these newer h/s don't leave much room, if any, for newer ram h/s. You'd think they would be paying attention to the ram market or lobby for a mm or two with the mobo manufs.
Tuned in for your results bones.
punx223
10-07-2011, 07:41 PM
Lotta these newer h/s don't leave much room, if any, for newer ram h/s. You'd think they would be paying attention to the ram market or lobby for a mm or two with the mobo manufs.
Tuned in for your results bones.
Lol!! you have no idea at how much I agree with this :-/ during testing I had to pop heatspreaders off my modules :(
Im workin on getting heatsinks a lil taller or an offset toward the Vreg area to allow clearance. :thumbsup:
its just a bitch tbh as heatsinks need to be big to properly dissipate heat, and if we make it taller to fit modules then it wont fit in a case :thumbdown:
punx223
10-07-2011, 07:42 PM
btw new heatsink on the way soon. well not really soon but soon I hope.... its gonna be big though lol
Bones
10-07-2011, 09:26 PM
With the CHV as it would be with about any board used with it, you can only run RAM sticks like older sticks are but with the MSI I could have ran any RAM type I wanted provided I only used the outer slots, not possible to do with the inner slots.
Since these slots share the same channel (Non-staggered config related to RAM channel) this means you could use any RAM you want with the MSI board I have and the Frio.
If wanting to fill all four RAM slots, that's a different story.
So far I can say the cooler moves a ton of air through it and wasn't hard to setup. Had to remove the stock cooling retaining collar/bracket but no real biggie since I'm sure we've all done that before. If you turn up the fans, it's kinda loud but I've heard worse before and at it's lowest setting it's nearly silent and still moves alot of air through the cooler. Another thing I like about it is if you need to clean it out, just unclip the fan shroud from the cooler, raise it up and clean it.
You can easily clean the cooler itself and both inner/outer sides of the fans once the shroud is removed.
Kal-EL
10-07-2011, 11:25 PM
Lol!! you have no idea at how much I agree with this :-/ during testing I had to pop heatspreaders off my modules :(
Im workin on getting heatsinks a lil taller or an offset toward the Vreg area to allow clearance. :thumbsup:
its just a bitch tbh as heatsinks need to be big to properly dissipate heat, and if we make it taller to fit modules then it wont fit in a case :thumbdown:
An offset would make too much sense :Dizzy:
Could cause a slow-down in manufacturing process, lord knows we can't stop churning out heatsinks or the world would overheat :cool3:
MaadDaawg
10-08-2011, 05:40 AM
An offset would make too much sense :Dizzy:
Could cause a slow-down in manufacturing process, lord knows we can't stop churning out heatsinks or the world would overheat :cool3:
Not just the Frio, seems to be a trend :P Had to cut a piece of the fan shroud off my A70 to accommodate teh north bridge, and forget about using the first RAM slot. :thumbdown: Cools like a son of a bitch though :thumbsup:
punx223
10-08-2011, 09:33 AM
An offset would make too much sense :Dizzy:
Could cause a slow-down in manufacturing process, lord knows we can't stop churning out heatsinks or the world would overheat :cool3:
Sarcasm noted ;)
Just remember also have to fight against uber big vreg sinks as some manuf still think that the vreg gets hot enough to need the equivelant of a damned true on the vregs :p
Bones
10-11-2011, 10:07 AM
As promised - Here's the testing I did with the Frio OCK CPU cooler.
Took a few pics of the setup and what it looks like with everything in place.
One of the pics shows the clearance you'd have if used with the board I have (Crosshair V) and what RAM I had to run for clearance. Obviously you cannot run any sticks with an extended heatspreader but as I said before regular sticks work with it. I did note though the stick towards the cooler was a little warmer than the other stick, mainly due to it being close to the heatpipes and the obvious lack of airflow vs the outer stick but that's to be expected in this case.
OK - I setup the machine to do these test runs using the same exact settings for all runs with the exception of the number of cores that were active to similate what a given numbered cored chip may do with it, be it an unlocked chip or not.
Of course chips with less cores used/active will tend to run cooler and my testing reflected this as expected. The conditions of these runs and other relevant info are within the testing setup pic and these runs were literally done back-to-back, the only pause being the time it took to enable cores by rebooting to do so in the BIOS as the testing progressed. I used the settings I had to emulate what you'd normally expect how an individual would setup the system with proper voltages used for the CPU and as most tend to do via multiplier. I used the 20X multi to place all of the OC'ing load on the CPU itself to give the cooler a chance to show what it's really capable of.
Note the detail for each run in the screenies. I allowed HWmonitor to run for getting the max themal values during each run and you can see this with each screenie that shows the end of a run. The other is to show the setup & temps seen for each run right before it was started.
The testing setup screenie is the very last pic and it shows the relevant info you'd want to see.
I'll let you guys be the judge based on the info within the screenies from each run.
Tt-USA Enthusiasts
10-11-2011, 11:03 AM
Thank you for posting this.
Very thorough test :thumbsup:
What's an air cooler lmao
Last one I got was a tt big typhoon when they first came out :)
Bones
10-11-2011, 12:41 PM
Thank you for posting this.
Very thorough test :thumbsup:
You are most welcome and happy to do it. :good:
MaadDaawg
10-11-2011, 02:14 PM
It appears as though the cooler covers the first two mem slots? is that the case?
Tt-USA Enthusiasts
10-11-2011, 02:39 PM
It appears as though the cooler covers the first two mem slots? is that the case?
Most high performance coolers do...
its nature of the beast. more thermal capacity = bigger cooler..... bigger cooler = well bigger cooler :laughing:
Neuromancer
10-11-2011, 04:21 PM
Why did you run the cooler in that position? Seems rotating it 90 degrees like they are normally mounted would alleviate some of the ram height issue. I do not know how large the fan is, but assuming a 25mm stance it should still allow to use high height RAM even with fan blowing RAM to VRMs.
Using a 38mm fan on my megahalem, I actually put it on the back side, as 38mm shoves it across the first 2 DIMM slots. Standard ram still works fine though.
For sandyB I run in the orientation you are running because miah suggested it runs slightly cooler, which does effect mounting RAM, but I put the fan blowing towards the vid card not sucking the air from it. (Generally CPUs are so much cooler than GPUs that blowing the warmed air from the CPU still helps cool the backside of the card :) )
Kal-EL
10-11-2011, 04:40 PM
56c max temps at any given load? Cooler than my old QX6700, lol.
Bones
10-11-2011, 06:34 PM
Why did you run the cooler in that position? Seems rotating it 90 degrees like they are normally mounted would alleviate some of the ram height issue. I do not know how large the fan is, but assuming a 25mm stance it should still allow to use high height RAM even with fan blowing RAM to VRMs.
Using a 38mm fan on my megahalem, I actually put it on the back side, as 38mm shoves it across the first 2 DIMM slots. Standard ram still works fine though.
For sandyB I run in the orientation you are running because miah suggested it runs slightly cooler, which does effect mounting RAM, but I put the fan blowing towards the vid card not sucking the air from it. (Generally CPUs are so much cooler than GPUs that blowing the warmed air from the CPU still helps cool the backside of the card :) )
I wish it was capable of being mounted 90 degrees from where it is but this is one cooler that will only mount up one way, based on how the MB maker places the mounting holes in the board.
That would be a huge help in solving the RAM useage problem if it did but this cooler is not one of those you can turn the way you want.
Yes, if I had set it to exhaust towards the GPU that may have helped temps a little but I did have a small fan blowing onto the board to similate things as if it were in a case with proper airflow, plus to help it get air for the reason you stated about drawing air in. On that note it would help the CPU but make the GPU run hotter - The Thuban will throw out some heat and this cooler will pick it up and move it too.
I can make it rujn even hotter if I wanted to but the Thuban tends to have a thermal spike while trying to boot if I go too high with voltage. I'm not aware of any aircooler that can fix that problem and it even happens if it's on watercooling too. You can then give it even more juice but even that has it's limits as I know already - Been there, tried that with the Thuban.
Neuromancer
10-12-2011, 04:29 AM
I wish it was capable of being mounted 90 degrees from where it is but this is one cooler that will only mount up one way, based on how the MB maker places the mounting holes in the board.
That would be a huge help in solving the RAM useage problem if it did but this cooler is not one of those you can turn the way you want.
Yes, if I had set it to exhaust towards the GPU that may have helped temps a little but I did have a small fan blowing onto the board to similate things as if it were in a case with proper airflow, plus to help it get air for the reason you stated about drawing air in. On that note it would help the CPU but make the GPU run hotter - The Thuban will throw out some heat and this cooler will pick it up and move it too.
I can make it rujn even hotter if I wanted to but the Thuban tends to have a thermal spike while trying to boot if I go too high with voltage. I'm not aware of any aircooler that can fix that problem and it even happens if it's on watercooling too. You can then give it even more juice but even that has it's limits as I know already - Been there, tried that with the Thuban.
Roger that, thanks for the explanation. Been out of the AMD game for a while and forgot about the rectangular hole pattern.
Weird they would not include a mounting bracket to mount the cooler the right orientation though :S
MaadDaawg
10-12-2011, 06:22 AM
Most high performance coolers do...
its nature of the beast. more thermal capacity = bigger cooler..... bigger cooler = well bigger cooler :laughing:
My A70 only blocks the first DIMM slot :P
punx223
10-12-2011, 07:11 AM
I wish it was capable of being mounted 90 degrees from where it is but this is one cooler that will only mount up one way, based on how the MB maker places the mounting holes in the board.
That would be a huge help in solving the RAM useage problem if it did but this cooler is not one of those you can turn the way you want.
Yes, if I had set it to exhaust towards the GPU that may have helped temps a little but I did have a small fan blowing onto the board to similate things as if it were in a case with proper airflow, plus to help it get air for the reason you stated about drawing air in. On that note it would help the CPU but make the GPU run hotter - The Thuban will throw out some heat and this cooler will pick it up and move it too.
I can make it rujn even hotter if I wanted to but the Thuban tends to have a thermal spike while trying to boot if I go too high with voltage. I'm not aware of any aircooler that can fix that problem and it even happens if it's on watercooling too. You can then give it even more juice but even that has it's limits as I know already - Been there, tried that with the Thuban.
No worries bro we are working on a mounting solution for the AMD to allow mounting on any board in any orientation.
it should be out soon.
punx223
10-12-2011, 07:12 AM
My A70 only blocks the first DIMM slot :P
Please feel free to compare to OCK and lemme know the temps in comparison ;)
EDIT: and yes I am free to harass you on my personal acct :taunt:
MaadDaawg
10-12-2011, 07:15 AM
Please feel free to compare to OCK and lemme know the temps in comparison ;)
If Tt supplies the OCK, I would be happy to run various tests and post a review :thumbsup: Please let me know the tracking number so I can insure I don't miss the delivery :D
Tt-USA Enthusiasts
10-12-2011, 07:17 AM
If Tt supplies the OCK, I would be happy to run various tests and post a review :thumbsup: Please let me know the tracking number so I can insure I don't miss the delivery :D
Feel Free to send me a PM and we can discuss....
*in best tough guy voice* Its on son :morpheus:
MaadDaawg
10-12-2011, 07:32 AM
You be having a PM Bro ....
BRING IT! (in the voice of Marcus Fenix in Gears of War)
Tt-USA Enthusiasts
10-12-2011, 07:55 AM
You be having a PM Bro ....
BRING IT! (in the voice of Marcus Fenix in Gears of War)
you pm'd the wrong person.... *Fail*
:taunt:
MaadDaawg
10-12-2011, 10:17 AM
you pm'd the wrong person.... *Fail*
:taunt:
Story of my life :blush:
Bones
10-12-2011, 04:20 PM
I'm glad what I did stirred up some conversation on the subject. :green9:
I'm also hoping it proved to be useful info as well. I knew the pics I took would show a thing or two about it at least and the way I ran the tests would probrably give some good comparative info to the cooler's overall thermal capacity.
Only thing I didn't do was to try an extended test with something like OCCT - The OCCT test ran with all six cores going would be the ultimate test for the cooler but I didn't want to risk the chip that way. Just got the CHV back and working and I kinda want to keep it that way for awhile at least since the MSI took a dump. :poopinghorse:
Kal-EL
10-12-2011, 09:26 PM
I'm glad what I did stirred up some conversation on the subject. :green9:
Yeah, its been like a morticians office around here lately :Dizzy:
Bones
10-15-2011, 12:35 AM
Got my hands on a E8400 yesterday and will set it up for some testing with that chip. If the board can handle it (ASRock P43DE3), I'll see how high it can go with some testing done with it as well.
Bones
10-15-2011, 03:22 AM
Set it up and did a run like the others with it.
Just as easy to setup with the 775 as it was with the AM3+ and the installation was a snap.
With the 775's equal spacing of the cooler mounting holes, I was able to turn it any way I wanted to but did it so that I could use all four RAM slots with any RAM sticks I wanted to use, plus with the cooler being as close to the sticks as it was, it actually gave a cooling effect to the sticks.
One thing I did note is again with the cooler's massive overhang it did sit really close to the board's NB cooler and it was a little trouble to get the 8-pin and CPU fan connectors hooked up but wasn't too much of a prob to do.
Since this board isn't a great OC'er I coudn't really push the CPU hard like I wanted but the temps it showed during the run at least showed it as being capable - I mean if it can keep a Thuban with six cores cool enough it should have no problem with a dual core, provided it doesn't run into a thermal spike due to excessive CPU voltages.