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MaadDaawg
08-12-2011, 04:37 PM
I'm posting this in here to keep the potential responses to the core of the club, just in case anyone wants a copy of what I'm offering.

Since I don't know how to attache a pdf file here, and, since Soups gets mad if I post anything long and off topic I'll try and keep this short. But it is something I'd like to share if you want it.

I subscribe to several financial investment newsletters. My wife, the CPA, Internal Auditor, and Certified Fraud Auditor checked out the companies before I signed up and said they reviewed as basically too conservative (not aggressive enuf). Two of the best ranked are both predicting financial armeggedon within the next year or two.

I have a PDF sent out by one of them that outlines the current world situation and the anticpated effect. It's not good.

If you want a copy, PM me your e-mail where I can attach the file and I'll send it to you.

You are my brothers, so I feel compelled to offer

thebanik
08-12-2011, 09:02 PM
I'm posting this in here to keep the potential responses to the core of the club, just in case anyone wants a copy of what I'm offering.

Since I don't know how to attache a pdf file here, and, since Soups gets mad if I post anything long and off topic I'll try and keep this short. But it is something I'd like to share if you want it.

I subscribe to several financial investment newsletters. My wife, the CPA, Internal Auditor, and Certified Fraud Auditor checked out the companies before I signed up and said they reviewed as basically too conservative (not aggressive enuf). Two of the best ranked are both predicting financial armeggedon within the next year or two.

I have a PDF sent out by one of them that outlines the current world situation and the anticpated effect. It's not good.

If you want a copy, PM me your e-mail where I can attach the file and I'll send it to you.

You are my brothers, so I feel compelled to offer

Though it all sounds awesome, but atleast I am gonna pass, not into Politics and Finance(local or world), just a basic understanding of what is happening and what can happen in recent future is enough for me. :p.

Who has got time to understand these things in detail over which we do not have even 0.0000001% control, :P

MaadDaawg
08-13-2011, 05:10 AM
just FYI - there are no politics in this. Also nothing offered to buy. Just an overview of what is happening in the financial world and some ways you can limit the damage to your money

I've done my part in posting this, no probs if you don't want it

Patch
08-13-2011, 05:53 AM
......since Soups gets mad if I post anything long and off topic I'll try and keep this short.

:laughing:

just FYI - there are no politics in this. Also nothing offered to buy.


I personally enjoy a little political discussion, but I'm definitely not a fan of sales pitches.

I'm take a gander.

Does it have something to do with GS, S&P and the bipolar company profiting from the global flow of money and having absolute power over where and how it flows?

Neuromancer
08-13-2011, 07:40 AM
I would like a link.

I really hope the financial world gets turned upside down. Companies that actually make things should be in the top 10 businesses in hte world. Not Insurance/banking companies that make nothing and profit hugely on it.

MaadDaawg
08-13-2011, 07:41 AM
:laughing:I personally enjoy a little political discussion, but I'm definitely not a fan of sales pitches.I'm take a gander.


I enjoy a good political discussion as well, but some people tend to get wierd so it's best to stay away :D

Does it have something to do with GS, S&P and the bipolar company profiting from the global flow of money and having absolute power over where and how it flows?

ummm .... nope. It's more of a disertation on the changing role of sovereign debt and the implications for western society, which like I said, isn't good.

If ya want to take a gander, I'll need a e-mail addy - I can't just link cause the site is password protected

MaadDaawg
08-13-2011, 07:43 AM
I would like a link.

I really hope the financial world gets turned upside down. Companies that actually make things should be in the top 10 businesses in hte world. Not Insurance/banking companies that make nothing and profit hugely on it.

Unfortunately, when the financial world gets turned upside down, the entire economy and everyone in it gets turned upside down. See above why I can't linkie it

Neuromancer
08-13-2011, 09:26 AM
What a terrible read...

More I learn about the stock market, the more I think that stock brokers should be arrested.

I mean they arrest other con men...


EDIT: Tried to find out if the term "Fudgable" (as in fudging the truth) had its roots in "Fungible" (the act of borrowing stocks and selling them to return the same number of stocks (not the fair market value at the time of borrowing) at a future date... borrow enough and sell them the simple law of supply and demand dictates that the new availability reduces market value. And what a great way for a large company to damage a smaller public company by devaluing their stocks).

MaadDaawg
08-13-2011, 10:28 AM
Terrible read, or, terrible news?

It does predict some very dire circumstances... scary thing is you can see things falling into place just by tracking world news :ohcrap:

IMO - Congress and the President should be arrested, they are the ones that empower Wall St and the banks. Actually, you'd have to arrest all world leaders and start over.... essentially what he predicts happening :P

Neuromancer
08-13-2011, 01:09 PM
Well its not news it is prognostication...

But yeah thats what I meant. Bleak I suppose would have been a better word.

MaadDaawg
08-13-2011, 01:22 PM
I used the word "news" in place of information, as most people don't have a clue how bad things really are, but, I stand corrected :D

Neuromancer
08-13-2011, 04:30 PM
:Hi:

MaadDaawg
08-17-2011, 09:36 AM
More scary shit from another investment house. I subscribe to their cheap newsletter , I can't afford the one they are selling here. As soon as you get to Kevin Kerr shut it down unless you got 2.5K to invest on their next newsletter :P

listen
http://finance.uncommonwisdomdaily.com/reports/event/kerr/vsp6.php?s=F327&e=4528256&v=timeless


If you want to read, click the X to close the window and select stay on the page. Listening is much easier :laughing:

better to know what's coming methinks

links are posted as public service to my brothers - if you think this is full of shit, that's fine. Don't give me shit about - k?

rickss69
08-17-2011, 08:21 PM
I have read none of this but I think I know what is up. The thing most don't understand is not so much financial ruin, but the people that have nothing to lose...they become more dangerous to society than any monetary losses. No amount of money stashed away will protect you from that kind of onslaught. ;)

(Invest in food and weapons...your only reliable companions)

MaadDaawg
08-18-2011, 04:01 AM
I have read none of this but I think I know what is up. The thing most don't understand is not so much financial ruin, but the people that have nothing to lose...they become more dangerous to society than any monetary losses. No amount of money stashed away will protect you from that kind of onslaught. ;)

(Invest in food and weapons...your only reliable companions)

Food, gold, silver, ammunition is the way I look at it. What you think it is is the second part I told everyone not to bother with. The first part is how we are rapily getting into the food, gold, ammunition situation

Mr.Scott
08-18-2011, 01:18 PM
I'd like to read that MD. PM'ing you my e-mail.

MaadDaawg
08-18-2011, 03:57 PM
Transported :D

MaadDaawg
09-08-2011, 05:32 AM
UPDATE on MaadDaawg's Doomsday Scenario :D

Big day today in the World of YOUR Money

Being unemployed I got lots of time to read, so I've signed up for numerous financial news letters cause I never really knew about investing before. very interesting when you can follow what's happening and understand why.

President Obama is scheduled to give his big jobs speech today, AND, more importantly, Fed Chair Ben Bernake is expected to make a statement regarding what the Fed will/may do to help boost the economy (this just after the non-event at Jackson Hole where the Fed was missing in action.)

As expected the stock market opened up, following yesterdays rise in stock prices. Precisous metals (primarily silver and gold) are opening on the downtick, losing money as the stocks gain.

This is because everyone is hoping against hope that the President and Helicopter Ben will have good news and sprinkle fairy dust over the country and reignite the economy.

Should either of these two guys blow it, expect stocks to tank tomorrow and gold and silver continue their rise in prices.

Meanwhile, the EURO is predicted to become a thing of the past in the near future, so shorting the EURO is probably a very safe bet. It's lower against the dollar than it's been for a long long time.

I just bought into Proshares supershort II EURO ETF (EUO) which pays on the downward movement of the EURO and is leveraged to pay out twice the amount of any downward movment in the EURO.

Consider that when the EURO crashes, it will take down US banks with it since they have large holdings of EURO denominated debt. Gold and Silver will skyrocket and stocks will plunge.

Cheers

MaadDaawg
09-08-2011, 06:34 AM
It's illegal to shoot Ben Bernake :rofl:

http://www.wyattresearch.com/article/24686/rplink_090811#continue

Kal-EL
09-08-2011, 10:48 AM
lol

If Ben Bernanke broke into your house and started loading your possessions into a Bank of America van, in most states you'd be completely within legal statutes to shoot him down in defense of yourself and your property.

But because he's been given tacit Congressional approval to raid your net worth, it's against the law.

And while I can not condone anyone shooting Ben Bernanke, I think he should leave the Fed. He should resign effective immediately. He should take the blame for causing the price of nearly everything to rise.

He should fess up and tell the world that Lord Keynes is dead and so are his theories. He should turn his life around and apologize profusely for the damage he's caused. He should advocate for strong, honest and strict money policies that reward savers, punish debtors and make it a felony punishable by life in prison to debase the currency of the United States.

Of course he won't do any of these things. And so we should expect still greater things for commodities, and still worse things for folks who own the U.S. Federal Reserve Note.

Here's to self defense.

MaadDaawg
09-09-2011, 07:49 AM
Day after Obama speech....

Stock market tanks by triple digits
Bank stocks tanking bad
Euro dying

getting scary out there dudes

Hoping for another Gold correction (drop in value) so I can buy some more. The European short ETF is paying off already :D

http://www.foxbusiness.com/investing/2011/09/09/european-bank-debt-concerns-ignite-sharp-selloff/

http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/el-erian-pimco-fed-challenges/2011/09/08/id/410280?s=al&promo_code=D013-1

MaadDaawg
09-10-2011, 04:36 AM
Depending on whether or not the Germans remain willing to bail them out. Consensus is they won't

http://www.stansberryresearch.com/secure/psi/issues/html/201109PSI_issue.asp

shit, password proteteded :ohcrap:

It loses a lot in the copying

Inside This Month's Issue

How to Bankrupt an Empire

If We Save Greece... What About Italy?

How Our Portfolio Has Responded to Crisis

Two Positions to Take Right Now

We begin this month's issue with a true story.

It's a story the world's governments are praying you won't remember... or even better... you never learned and therefore don't understand.

It's a story about the most powerful country in the world – rulers over a huge, global empire, with the world's most powerful armed forces and possession of the world's reserve currency. It's a story of how that country was reduced to bankruptcy and how it bamboozled its own citizens out of a fortune...

It's a story that should sound troublingly familiar.

In 1917, the British government borrowed 2 billion pounds. That was back when a billion pounds was still a lot of money – roughly equivalent to 462 billion pounds today (or about $739 billion). Keep in mind... this loan was taken out when Britain's economy was much smaller. The loan equaled to roughly 75% of Britain's GDP at the time. You can imagine this loan as being the equivalent to the U.S. Congress deciding to borrow another $10 trillion this year.

The loan was necessary to finance what was called "The Great War."

Almost 900,000 British troops died fighting in Europe between 1914 and 1918. Another 1.6 million were wounded. And all for... well... no one can exactly remember. Technically, the war began because a young Serbian anarchist shot and killed the Archduke of Austria. Austria then invaded Serbia... and all of the allies and European rivals jumped into the fray.

The sad irony is... The war didn't change anything, outside of moving a few minor territories from the domain of one emperor to another. The truth is, there wasn't anything worth fighting about. The murder of the Archduke was a crime, not a military provocation. And yet... with huge standing armies available to the belligerent nations, the politicians couldn't resist pulling the trigger.

You might recall that the military build-up in Europe at that time was designed to keep the peace through "a balance of power." A similar logic was used to justify the giant build-up of America's offensive military capabilities during the Cold War. We called it "mutually assured destruction."

Whatever you call it... when there are millions of young men standing around with powerful weapons and nothing else to do, something's bound to get destroyed.

Europe's first Great War killed 35 million people. And Britain's empire was fatally wounded – even though it had been the "victors." It would take another war and another 30 years for the British empire to finally die, but the critical damage was done: The war bankrupted Britain. Financially, it never really recovered.

The conflict led to the immediate suspension of the gold standard in 1914. No longer could citizens demand bullion from the Bank of England. What followed next was a massive expansion of the public debt and the money supply.

The first War Loan was raised in 1915. It paid 3.5% interest. The second War Loan was raised in 1916. It offered 4.5% interest. And then the third War Loan – the big one – was offered in 1917. It paid 5% interest and raised nearly 1 billion pounds in the month of March. Another 1.1 billion pounds was converted from the earlier War Loans into the new issue at the higher rate. In total, the size of the loan was 2.06 billion pounds.

The huge expansion of credit was, of course, also accompanied by a large expansion in the money supply and a corresponding increase in price inflation. A composite index of commodity prices maintained by the Economist magazine shows prices rose from a level of 100 in July 1914 to almost 250 by the end of the war.

By 1917, inflation was accelerating at a pace that threatened Britain's financial stability and thus its ability to wage the war. That prompted the British to issue the massive 1917 War Loan, from which they could retire floating-rate debt, control the increase of the money supply, and slow the rate of inflation. Thus, the British 5% War Loan was the first great refinancing of sovereign debt in the modern age. It was scheduled to come due in 30 years – 1947.

The 1917 War Loan included a few interesting options. First, creditors could opt to receive a 4% annual coupon, tax-free, instead of the full 5%. Logically, you would have expected this option to be very popular. But greed seems to trump common sense during any initial public offering. Few creditors chose the tax-free option – only about 2%. Within months after the offering, these tax-free bonds were trading at a large premium to the 5% bonds because income taxes were increased to pay down the war debt...

Finally... to protect the government, the loan could be called from investors for par (100) anytime after 1927. But the loan was still a huge problem. As Britain returned to the gold standard in the 1920s and the money supply was reduced, the burden of this war debt became progressively harder to manage. Not much of the principal was ever repaid. The interest simply came due every year, year after year... until even these amounts were unmanageable.

In 1931, Britain was forced to abandon the gold standard again. And once again, it was an Austrian assassination. No, it wasn't a duke that was shot this time. It was a bank.

In response to German demands to be reunited economically with Austria in a trade union, France decided to immediately withdraw its capital from Austria's leading bank, Kreditanstalt. The capital call was a deathblow. The bank, which was controlled by the Rothschilds, was absorbing most of Austria's mounting financial problems. Europe's economy was under significant stress because the U.S. launched a global trade war with the Smoot-Hawley tariff of 1930.

The result was a global economic depression and a correspondingly large increase in bad debts. When France demanded its gold back from Kreditanstalt, the deposits couldn't be repaid... in part because of the losses Kreditanstalt had already taken on behalf of Austria's other leading bank.

The failure of Kreditanstalt sparked bank runs in Germany and Britain. To prevent the failure of several major British banks, the Bank of England suspended the right to exchange pounds for gold. The result was a collapse in the value of the pound – from around $5 to less than $3.50.

These economic problems made paying the 5% War Loan almost impossible. As a result of the depression and the collapse of the British pound, by 1932, the interest on the 5% War Loan was consuming 40% of all income taxes. A key part of the problem was that obligations of the British government were still due in gold. The government had to find another way to finance this debt – preferably in sterling, which it could print. It couldn't simply default, as British banks were major holders of the paper and they were poorly capitalized because of the Great Depression losses. There had to be another way...

In 1932, to recapitalize its banks, the Bank of England began injecting large amounts of liquidity into the banking system, via purchases of government bonds. As a result, bond prices soared and interest rates fell sharply, from 5% in February 1932 to 2% in June 1932. (This move should sound familiar to anyone watching the U.S. Treasury market. The Fed's "quantitative easing" has pushed interest rates from 4% to less than 2% on U.S. 10-year bonds.)

There was only one exception to the huge rally in the British bond market – the 5% War Loan bonds. These bond prices didn't go up at all because the British government had the right to call them back from investors at par. Because of that clause, their market price didn't exceed par (100). So even though these bonds paid a superior coupon... to speculators, the issue was less attractive than other bonds because price appreciation was impossible.

In June 1932, Neville Chamberlain (who was head of the British Treasury at the time) decided to take advantage of the bond market rally to get the government out of the 5% War Loan. He proposed to exchange the entire 5% War Loan into a new, sterling-based perpetual issue, bearing interest at a lower (though still market-beating) 3.5%. These new 3.5% bonds would not be limited to trading at par, which meant their market price was sure to soar well above their issue price. And to further sweeten the offer, the new issue couldn't be called back from investors until 1952. This meant the holder would be entitled to an above-market rate of interest for an even longer period, which greatly would increase the bonds' potential value.

And remember... this new issue included no gold clause and, at the time, Britain had left the gold standard. But who in his right mind was worried about inflation during a Great Depression?

The British government used all its power to convince the banks, who were the major holders, to exchange their 5% War Loan for the new 3.5% bonds... except for one holdout, Midland Bank.

Midland's chairman, Reginald McKenna, had headed the British Treasury during World War I. He knew very well the terms of the original bond. Likewise, he understood the government barely had the means to pay it. He steadfastly refused to exchange the bonds, claiming responsibility to his banks' shareholders. In the end, the Bank of England secretly agreed to buy almost all of Midland's bonds at the real market price so that the government could claim that all of the major banks had converted voluntarily. Thus, there was no default.

Given the apparent advantages of the new issue – a longer call date, a market-beating rate of interest, and the ability to trade well above par – most of the public holding the 5% War Loan was readily bamboozled into the exchange. In fact, most of the crowd was wild to exchange their rights to collect interest in gold for the likelihood of earning a small – but immediate – capital gain. The 5% War Bonds they were exchanging could only be redeemed at par – and thus rarely traded at a premium – while the new 3.5% bonds could be readily sold at a premium. In fact, mounted police had to be called out to maintain order when the crowds lined up to exchange their old certificates.

Not everyone was fooled. Only 92% of the 5% War Loan bonds were exchanged. John Train, who tells the story in his excellent book Famous Financial Fiascos, quotes Lord Keynes, who described the exchange as "a bit of a bluff, which a fortunate conjunction of circumstances are enabling us to put one over on ourselves."

What happened next? In the 10 years following the conversion, inflation reduced the purchasing power of the pound by 34%. In the next 10 years, the purchasing power of the pound fell by another 38%. Interest rates on bonds moved from around 2% to well over 10%, destroying the market value of these bonds. Investors ended up losing roughly 99% of their savings.

And the final irony? The bond has no fixed maturity date. In all likelihood, it will never actually be repaid, even in devalued pounds.

America's position in the world today is not too different from Britain's before World War II. Yes, we are the world's foremost military power. And yes, we control the world's reserve currency. But despite all this power, we can't afford to pay our debts in sound money. Instead, we've used our printing press to manipulate the bond market into giving us a lower yield on our government's debt, increasing the money supply (stoking inflation), and essentially defaulting on our obligations.

This will have long-lasting ramifications on our standard of living and our standing in the world. Most Americans don't understand these facts. Instead, we – like the British in the 1930s – remain greedily willing to trade in the bonds of a bankrupt government for a small capital gain earned in a soon-to-be worthless currency.

And of course, we're not the only government in this position.

Trillions of dollars in sovereign debt around the world can no longer be financed. Nor can these debts simply be defaulted on, as doing so would destroy the world's banking system and leave depositors with nothing.

That's how we know... sooner or later... there will be a massive, global attempt to refinance these debts. The offer will sound good – much like the offer Britain made to its creditors in 1932. Much will be promised in an attempt to bamboozle you out of your savings. Interest rates prior to the offer will be driven lower and lower, forcing you to reach for better yields. The offer will probably sound enticing to most investors.

But remember this: Anyone who is foolish enough to trust governments over gold will be wiped out.

Why They Can't Let Greece Default

Greece is now within days of an outright default on its sovereign debt.

That, at least, is the current conviction of the credit default market. It currently gives Greece a 91% chance at default within five years. But the formula for determining this pricing is a little conservative and little liquidity remains in the market. Greece is as good as gone.

We've long considered this outcome a certainty. No, we do not have access to the privy counsels of Europe's leaders. But we consider ourselves to be relatively facile with math. And the math of trying to bail out the Greeks never made any sense...

As we pointed out repeatedly in these pages, the Greek government owes close to $500 billion – far in excess of 100% of GDP. It is already collecting taxes equal to 40% of GDP, yet it continues to run large annual deficits (more than $30 billion annually). The government cannot increase revenues, because its economy is shrinking. In the first quarter, Greece's GDP declined by 8.1%. In the second quarter, GDP fell by 7.3%.

Greece cannot refinance its obligations because interest rates on its debts have soared. The current market yield on Greek two-year bonds is a euro-record 55%. And the government cannot make further spending cuts – government salaries were already cut by 20% – because of the real threat of social unrest.

Greece is now down to less than $10 billion in foreign reserves. It's truly only a matter of days before Greece defaults.

Bloomberg quotes Gary Jenkins, a major bond dealer in London, to sum up the situation...

There's a growing realization among politicians that they're throwing good money after bad. They've finally woken up to the fact that they're not going to get this money back.

And yet... if the euro is to survive, the damage from the Greek default must not be allowed to pass through to Europe's banks. If the actual losses from Greek bonds are transmitted through Europe's banking system, several of Europe's biggest banks will fail. This will trigger a general collapse of the banking system and all of the sovereign debt markets in Europe.

You can see the regulators attempts to contain the losses taken from the banks if you watched last month's events closely. A compromise was reached between Europe's big banks and their regulators to limit the impact of declines to Greek debt. Rather than forcing the banks to mark the Greek paper on the books at the market's price (down 50% or so), they were allowed to mark the paper as being down only 21%.

Almost all of Europe's banks took this option – except the Royal Bank of Scotland, which marked its Greek paper down to the market price and took a $1.2 billion loss. As you know, we were short the stock – which collapsed 50% in a month – in part because it took such a large loss.

The interesting point to understand is that the Royal Bank of Scotland isn't the largest holder of Greek paper. France's BNP and Belgium's Dexia (whose CEO just resigned this week) share that title... They only took 21% "haircuts," leaving these two major banks with losses of 550 million euros and 338 million euros, respectively.

The credit default market operates under the assumption that holders of Greek debt would recover 40% of their investments in the event of a default – losses of 60%. In the event of a Greek default then, most of Europe's big banks would see losses nearly 200% larger than the write-downs they took in August. Total losses would exceed $100 billion. The follow-on effects – like depositors withdrawing funds and the wholesale lenders pulling credit lines – would leave the entire system insolvent.

You should know, I'm not the only worried analyst.

Josef Ackermann knows more about Europe's banks than almost anyone else in the world. He's the CEO of Europe's leading bank – Deutsche Bank. At a conference in Germany this week, Ackermann told a group of leading bankers, "It is an open secret that numerous European banks would not survive having to revalue sovereign debt held on the banking book at market levels... "

This is a particularly bad situation. Europe's banks are far more leveraged and more exposed to sovereign debt than U.S. banks. How they got that way is particularly ironic...

When the euro was being formed about a decade ago, banking regulators wanted to encourage the development of sovereign debt markets and tighter economic integration across Europe. To encourage banks to buy sovereign debt, they adjusted the banking reserve requirements so that European sovereign debt literally didn't count on measures of risk-based assets. The banks didn't have to set aside any capital to reserve against potential losses in sovereign debt. That meant they could leverage up to extreme levels by purchasing sovereign debt. And that's exactly what they did.

I was able to obtain a copy of Goldman Sachs' recent "State of the Markets" report, which it sent to its hedge-fund clients. It contains a detailed study of how Europe's banks ended up owning so much European sovereign debt. From January 1, 1999 – when the euro was launched – until the peak of the 2000s credit bubble, total European sovereign debt on the balance sheets of Europe's banks rose from around 2 trillion euros to more than 3.3 trillion euros – an increase of over 50% in about seven years.

Europe's banks also heavily invested in other highly rated securities – like the triple-A-rated mortgage securities from American investment banks that contained highly dubious collateral, like subprime mortgages. Again, European banking rules allow much higher amounts of leverage to be used when investing in these supposedly "safe" triple-A-rated assets.

The combination of regulations favoring sovereign debt and triple-A-rated assets was a disaster. Regulators completely ignored the huge increase in leverage that resulted from the risk-based capital rules.

When you look at risk-based measures of assets, there's been no change in leverage at Europe's banks over the last decade. On this "risk-adjusted" basis, Europe's banks have roughly $8 trillion in deposits and $8 trillion in investments – the same ratio of deposits and assets they had back in 2000. But in fact, Europe's banks hold $18 trillion in investments and are now trading at 28 times total assets to equity. With that amount of leverage, a 3.5% decline in your asset base will wipe out 100% of your equity. That's a Bear Stearns/Lehman/Fannie margin of error. It makes no sense.

Worst of all, much of the funding for Europe's banks comes from U.S. money-market funds and the interbank market. Only about 54% of their capital comes from their customers. A large amount of their capital – 33% – comes from sources that would transmit the crisis to America. The wholesale credit market in Europe comes from U.S. money-market funds. Europe's interbank market touches major U.S. money center banks.

How will American creditors respond to the crisis? By the end of 2012, Europe's banks will have to refinance more than $8 trillion in wholesale funding, mostly from U.S.-based money market funds.

What if the crisis in Greece spills over into European banks? Will these lenders be willing to lend into a crisis, where there's so little equity remaining in the books and so little political confidence in the European Central Bank?

My bet is no.

Finally... as my longtime subscribers understand, even if the Greek debt problem is contained by a European bailout fund, Italy is still in question. Italy's near-term debt maturities dwarf Greece's. Italy must refinance $192 billion euro this year, followed by $168 billion euro next year and then another $100 billion in 2013 – all while running a 3.9% of GDP annual deficit. Told by the International Monetary Fund to immediately balance its budget, the Italian political process seems paralyzed. When asked last month by the New York Times how Italy would finally balance its books, Mario Baldassarri, an M.I.T.-trained economist and the chairman of Italy's Senate Finance Committee said, "Not even the Lord Almighty knows."

This is from the world's third-largest sovereign borrower. Italy's public debt is 1.7 trillion euro – seven times larger than Greece's public debt. The steep economic declines that doomed Greece to certain bankruptcy haven't hit Italy yet. But we are certain they will as credit becomes harder to get in Italy. The fact is, Italy has been in a recession almost since the day it joined the euro. Its economy has grown by a total of 0.54% over the last 10 years. What has grown the whole time? Government debt, which now exceeds 120% of GDP. Nobody ever repays debts of this magnitude in sound money – and the Italians will certainly be no exception.

As we discussed in last month's issue, the original purpose of credit analysis was to determine the borrower's ability to repay. But in this era of gigantic sovereign debts, ratings have become based on a country's ability to get additional financing. That leaves countries (like Greece, Italy, France, and even the U.S.) at risk of a sudden financial collapse.

Two years ago, interest rates on Greek debt were essentially the same as those of any other European country. What changed? Nothing... except the market's willingness to extend credit. The rates on Greece's two-year bonds (55%) and the credit default prices (91% probability of default) indicate that Greece has come to the end of the road.

I can't tell you when this will happen to Italy. But I can tell you... with 100% certainty... it will. And when it does, it will happen faster than anyone expects. All the facts are there. You can see for yourself.

The only option to prevent a true global banking collapse is for the European Union to undertake an immense recapitalization of both its banking system and sovereign debts. I doubt this can happen as long as Germany remains in the euro... but it's not impossible, given the risks to Germany's banks.

What will happen? I wish I knew. But here's what I see clearly. The U.S. can't maintain its deficit spending without more and more quantitative easing. Foreign creditors have begun to abandon the Treasury market. And there's no way domestic savings can finance more than about $600 billion a year in additional debt. More quantitative easing in the world's reserve currency is extremely inflationary.

The world's largest economic area – the euro zone – is in the midst of a serious sovereign debt and banking crisis. I believe these problems will, eventually, be tackled by the equivalent of a massive devaluation. The size of the euro float will expand dramatically in support of a huge euro-bond issue to restructure Europe's sovereign debts and prevent a full scale European banking panic. This, too, is massively inflationary... And I can't imagine how it's avoided.

As a newsletter that's primarily focused on equity recommendations, this situation leaves us in a quandary. We've long been expecting a crisis in Europe – just read our newsletters from 2010. And since February 2010, we've been expecting a serious bear market in stock prices. We got our first real correction in August, thanks to Europe's problems. And luckily, we were able to capitalize, thanks to our fairly large short book. We took 50% gains on shorts in Pulte and Royal Bank of Scotland. And we're up substantially on our short of Deutsche Bank.

As far as our long positions go... on average, we've broken even with the stocks we recommended since February 2010... But we took on risk for no gain. The main reason for our poor performance was simply timing. We got completely hosed on our Eagle Ford recommendations, both of which we had to sell for a loss, even though we were entirely right about the future value of both of the stocks we recommended. We simply bought them at exactly the wrong time, just a few weeks before a big market swoon in July 2010 that stopped us out of these excellent companies. A few months later, our exact prediction came true: Petrohawk (NYSE: HK) was bought out for a large premium. And shares of SM Energy (NYSE: SM) soared because of increased production in the Eagle Ford.

Man, is that frustrating!

On the other hand, we did a truly great job by getting out of our financial stocks in May and selling almost everything else in our portfolio, except for companies highly leveraged to inflation – energy stocks, agricultural stocks, and precious metals stocks.

And fortunately, our short recommendations have done extremely well – up 18% on average, with an average holding period of far less than a year. The only losing position we have in our short book is our short recommendation of U.S. Treasury bonds. We have now lost money trying to short the U.S. Treasury on every attempt. We pledge not to attempt that particular short again for at least one year.

From a portfolio strategy standpoint, the simple thing for us to do is keep doing what's been working – which is selling stocks short. So that's what we're going to do this month.

But we do so with some trepidation...

The world's financial authorities can't afford to let the European situation get out of control. It was on the verge of going that way in August. I suspect things will get worse from here before they get better. But I also think that when the monetary authorities decide to solve these problems by creating a lot more money and credit, short sellers are going to get hurt. It's crucial that you close your positions when you're up 50% on our short sells. It's also important to remember that if you're going to short stocks, you ought to offset them with a collection of super-high-quality dividend-paying stocks, too.

And above all, make sure you're holding gold and silver. Your precious metals allocation should make up at a minimum 15% of your portfolio. If you've been in silver and gold for a while, chances are your allocation is now far more substantial. That's OK. Up to 50% of your portfolio is fine with me. But if you're more than 50% in silver and gold, I'd consider rebalancing toward high-quality equities offering yields greater than 5%. Wait for days when the market falls out of bed to add these positions. Your goal should be to end up 12 months from now with no more than 50% in silver and gold and about 25% of your portfolio in high-quality stocks – like the kind in my "no-risk" portfolio or the kind Dan Ferris has labeled as "World Dominators" in the portfolio of his Extreme Value advisory. If the market is still doing poorly, you can continue to hedge your equities with short sell recommendations from these pages.

With that proviso, let's look at what we're going to add to the portfolio this month...

PULTE II

My favorite short sell setup is a company with a vastly overleveraged balance sheet.

Take GE, for example. It has borrowed more than $600 billion. That's a larger debt than most sovereign countries. And GE doesn't have the power to tax – at least not yet, despite all that CEO Jeffrey Immelt has done to cozy up with OBAMA!

GE's return on assets is now about 1.5%. That's far too little profitability to continue to finance its balance sheet. I don't believe GE's funding costs will stay that low. Once again, the only thing that keeps this company from going bankrupt is the willingness of its creditors to extend loans. Some day soon, they will change their minds.

Here's another way to view what a terrible company GE has become. Its total enterprise value is $550 billion. (Enterprise value equals market cap plus debt minus cash.) That is a gigantic amount of capital. But guess how much money in income for its owners (aka dividends) that pile of assets generates? Less than $5 billion. Less than 1%. Investors would get 100% more income if they owned Treasury bonds, whose yields have been decimated by the Federal Reserve's quantitative easing.

If anyone can explain to me why investors would ever consider owning GE or how the company will avoid bankruptcy, I'd love to hear the argument... because I can't even imagine answers to those questions.

Lately, we've been focused on overleveraged financials and homebuilders. Both of these industries are plagued by the same basic problems – bad debts related to assets that were hugely inflated during the credit bubble of 1999-2006. We're going to stick with them this month by adding D.R. Horton (NYSE: DHI) back into our short book. We first recommended shorting D.R. Horton back in December 2008. Here's what we said then...

Out of all of the homebuilders, the first one to go bankrupt will most likely be D.R. Horton (NYSE: DHI). The company faces a huge series of debt maturities over the next nine years: $550 million in 2009, $360 million in 2010, $400 million in 2011, $300 million in 2012 and 2013, $500 million in 2014, $300 million in 2015, $400 million in 2016, and $800 million in 2017... Technically, it can't even make a top-line profit – it spends more to build a house than it earns selling it. It's lost roughly $500 million just building and selling homes in the last year – and that's not including any of its operating costs. Throw those in, and you're looking at losses of more than $1.25 billion – before interest expenses... Unfortunately, the company still owes nearly $5 billion. The more assets it sells, the closer it comes to defaulting on a revolving debt covenant, which would set in motion the immediate repayment of most of its debts...

What happened? Well, as you can see for yourself, the stock didn't continue to fall, despite its poor operating results or the risks it faced of violating it debts covenants.



What did we get wrong? Congress decided to bail out the homebuilders by allowing them to write off their losses in 2008 against the profits they'd paid taxes on over the previous five years. The U.S. Treasury sent D.R. Horton $1.3 billion over 2009 and 2010 in tax "refunds."

Next to the Cash for Clunkers program, this might be the single worse use of tax dollars I've seen during this recession. The problem in the housing market is that far too many houses were built, leaving more houses vacant than at any other time in American history. Millions more homes are still in foreclosure. We don't need more homebuilding right now. We need less. So what does Congress do? It sends billions and billions of dollars to the homebuilding companies.

This capital allowed D.R. Horton to get out of its revolving loan commitments and free itself from the risk of a catastrophic debt-covenant default. It has continued to sell assets and pay down its debt load, repaying more than $2 billion in loans over the last three years. Assets have fallen by a similar amount, $1.7 billion.

The company is shrinking and has done a good job of managing its huge debt load – thanks to a billion-dollar handout from Congress. Long-term debt is now down to $2 billion. Total debt amounts to a little more than $3 billion. And the obligations appear covered by the $3.5 billion worth of land and houses the company still owns. But there's still a fatal problem here...

As I explained in my December 2010 short recommendation of Pulte, the largest homebuilder in America... these large national homebuilders...

... specialize in cheap houses and bad locations... what could go wrong? Well... if you sell these poorly constructed homes in bad locations to tens of thousands of people who can't actually afford to pay for them, you've got a giant problem on your hands. No one wants to live in a neighborhood plagued by mortgage fraud, empty homes, and deteriorating common areas. That's exactly what's happened to many of PulteGroup's communities.

D.R. Horton is experiencing exactly the same problems. It's having a hard time selling homes at a profit, despite lowering prices substantially.

You can see this in a few different ways when you look at the company's results. Despite gutting the overhead from $200 million per quarter all the way down to $113 million, the company still didn't earn a profit on a cash-flow basis in the last quarter. Cash flow has fallen precipitously from $700 million in 2010 (as it sold off inventory) to negative $124 million in the last two quarters. Likewise, inventories are growing again for the first time since the downturn began.

And when you dig into the quarterly details, you get a clear picture of the housing holocaust. Homebuilding revenues fell 29% year over year in the most recent quarter. The number of homes closed fell 33%. Home sale margins declined. And inventories rose to 11,400 compared to 10,500 a year ago.

I don't expect D.R. Horton to quickly go bankrupt, as I did back in late 2008. But this company will not survive the downturn. It still owns too much land and owes too much money. Far too many houses are for sale in America. And too many of D.R. Horton's communities have become impaired. You'll see a continuing decline here, quarter after quarter. And if I'm right about the coming European crisis, you might see another shock to the availability of mortgage credit. If mortgage rates rise, D.R. Horton will collapse.

As far as big milestones to watch for, the company owes creditors $786 million in 2014. I don't expect that debt will be repaid. Nor do I think the company will be able to refinance it, as its collateral continues to fall in price.

The chart above, which compares the shares of D.R. Horton to the shares of Pulte, tells the story of an industry that's caught in a huge secular decline. It may be 20 years before the housing market's supply-and-demand dynamics become attractive again for homebuilders. Neither of these two companies will survive that long. We've already booked our 50% gains on shorting Pulte. D.R. Horton will not be far behind. These two companies have nearly identical products and business models and serve the same markets.

Sell short DR Horton (NYSE: DHI). Use a 25% trailing stop loss.

My Favorite Obsolete Short

The other short positions I love are companies with obsolete technology or products. While these trades aren't as certain as companies with too much debt, they are often better trades because they're less volatile and tend to unfold over a long period of time. Let me explain what I mean by showing you a classic example from the past...

In 1998, I recommended shorting shares of Kodak. At the time, the stock was trading around $70-$80. I'd just bought my first digital camera. I was already using online photo albums and digital software to share pictures. I knew I'd never buy another roll of film again. And I figured that soon, nobody else would either. In fact, Kodak's revenues peaked in 1996. They've mostly been declining ever since. But the decline has taken a long, long time.

Look at these numbers. They show Kodak's revenue per share since 2001, when the companies decline was already well underway. As you can see, revenues per share have fallen steadily... But they remained in double digits through 2007.

Kodak's revenue per share 2001-2011
Year
Q1
Q2
Q3
Q4
2001
10.26
12.36
11.36
11.54
2002
9.29
11.44
11.49
11.82
2003
9.22
11.37
11.75
12.72
2004
10.19
12.09
11.77
13.11
2005
9.87
12.84
12.37
14.61
2006
7.98
9.36
9.04
10.81
2007
7.24
8.58
8.80
11.23
2008
7.26
8.62
8.50
9.06
2009
5.51
6.58
6.64
9.63
2010
7.13
5.79
6.55
7.18
2011
4.92
5.52
Likewise, you see the same kind of tenacity in the slow decline of gross margins. Yes, margins have been decimated. But it took a lot longer than anyone thought it would to reach single digits. Cost-cutting can keep companies in business a long, long time... as long as their balance sheets are strong.

Kodak's Gross Margin 2001-2011
Year
Q1
Q2
Q3
Q4
2001
35.87
37.29
34.31
30.61
2002
31.78
37.59
38.48
35.05
2003
30.31
33.58
33.50
31.63
2004
27.64
31.78
31.95
26.15
2005
24.40
28.16
25.95
23.04
2006
20.46
21.39
25.09
23.82
2007
20.58
26.09
26.73
24.69
2008
20.26
23.58
27.48
20.43
2009
13.13
18.97
20.38
34.35
2010
41.43
19.49
27.08
19.05
2011
9.46
14.21
So... what's the point of all of this? Well, here's the fascinating thing. Despite management's best efforts to control costs and slow the decline of falling revenues, it was nearly impossible to make a real profit for shareholders. Too much of the cash flow went toward paying off Kodak's debt. Cash flow finally turned negative in 2009.

But consider how long it took...

Now... look at the chart. After 1998, when was a good time to short this stock? Almost any time.



Nothing management did to preserve cash flows, manage the balance sheet, or salvage revenues really helped. Ironically, one of the things management did was buy back shares. I hope you understand why that was insane. But in corporate America... you see people do stupid things like that all the time. That's why I've become more and more a fan of selling stocks short. I'm especially eager to short situations like this, where there's simply no chance the company will succeed.

I identify these companies in two ways.

First, I always ask myself if it's likely that my son Traveler, who is now 4, will ever use this product or service. Will my son buy a roll of film in his life? No way. Digital technology has rendered all types of chemical film completely useless.

The second thing I do – and I got this idea from legendary investor Warren Buffett – is I always ask myself, "Would a well-financed entrepreneur attempt to create these businesses or industries if they didn't already exist?" For example, if you had $1 billion to invest, would you try to build a global newspaper franchise? Would you buy up timber forests and paper pulp factories and printing presses... and hire thousands of unionized employees? Wouldn't you just hire 50 or 100 smart folks and build a website?

I first recommended shorting shares of Gannett – the publisher of USA Today in September 2008. (Incidentally... the lead story in the September 2008 issue is one of the most interesting stories I've written about. It's worth reading, even if you have no interest in shorting Gannett.)



You can see for yourself that we got the timing right on that one. The stock absolutely collapsed in the bear market of late 2008 and early 2009. We booked a 50% gain on the short. I recommended shorting it again in March 2010. There's no point in going back over the entire thesis with you here. You can read the back issues to get the full story – nothing has changed. Here's the basic idea...

As publishers ourselves, we have some insight into what's happening to newspapers. New distribution technologies (mostly the Internet) make content you'd typically look for in a newspaper – stuff like a local weather forecast, movie listings, sports scores, etc. – available for free. And with free wireless networks (WiFi) becoming almost ubiquitous in most cities, most people can get this information automatically sent to their computers or even their cell phones. You have no reason to buy a newspaper for your commute when you can see the latest headlines on your cell phone, listen to news over satellite radio, or download an interview by your favorite journalist to your iPod...

Meanwhile, newspapers make the majority of their revenue selling space ads, not subscriptions. Moving their content to online formats (which are smaller) destroys their business model because websites don't offer nearly enough ad space. The Internet also makes it easy for advertisers to judge whether buying space ads in newspapers is worth the expense – and most of the time it's not. Online advertising can be accurately tracked, which makes life hell for ad salesmen. Potential buyers no longer have any question about how many people looked at a specific ad – and how many bought because of it. – Stansberry Investment Advisory, September 2008

First, Gannett has a lot of debt – more than $2 billion in long-term debt, plus another $1 billion or so in pension and health care obligations for retired employees. That's always great news for a short seller. Total debt is in excess of $4 billion.

Second, it controls a huge number of products (newspapers), all of which are in a sustained secular decline. The latest numbers show publishing circulation revenues fell another 3% for the first six months of 2011. Ad revenue fell more – by 6%.

And take a look at what's happened to its subscriber rolls...



The last nail in this company's coffin is the wild expansion binge it went on during the boom. It bought up dozens of small "community" publications. Gannett paid absurd amounts of money for these rags, which were almost immediately rendered worthless by the Internet.

When you look on the balance sheet, you see the legacy of these purchases in the "goodwill" segment. Gannett holds $2.8 billion worth of goodwill on its balance sheet. That's the excess amount of money they paid to acquire those publications in the early-to-mid 2000s. Sooner or later, these assets will be written off. They're not producing much, if anything, in the way of earnings.

On the other hand, the company is still producing a lot of cash flow. But it has virtually stopped paying dividends in an effort to preserve capital, extend operations, and repay debt. (At least, they stopped buying back stock in 2008...)

As for what I expect to see happen now... The circulation and revenue declines will continue, with ad revenues falling even faster than most people expect. Cash flow will dry up within a year or two at most, leaving the company struggling to pay its debts. Value investors and other vultures who try to pick up the shares on the cheap will end up disappointed as legacy obligations to employees and big asset write-downs destroy what value remains.

Sell short shares of Gannett (NYSE: GCI). Use a 25% trailing stop loss.

SIA's Indicators: First Signs of a Bottom

We use three simple gauges to determine our broad position in the market cycle.

First, we look at what's called the "risk spread" in the bond market. This index shows us the average spread between the interest rates being paid by high-yield borrowers (junk bonds) versus U.S. Treasurys. The spread is displayed in the grey line on the chart. The S&P 500 Index is displayed in the black line. This is a contrarian indicator – that is, as the indicator goes up, stocks go down, and vice versa.



What you should see is that the lower the spread, the higher stock prices tend to go, because the spread is a gauge of the availability of credit. When credit is easy, the spread between junk and Treasury bonds is small. Optimism and greed are widespread in the market.

When the spread widens, fear returns and stocks fall. When the spread is extremely wide, fear dominates and stocks will trade at extremely depressed prices. We try to avoid buying stocks when there's too much greed in the market (when spreads are tight) so we have plenty of cash to deploy when fear is rampant (when spreads are wide) and stocks are cheap. Or as Buffett has famously explained: We try to be fearful when others are greedy, and we try to be greedy when others are fearful.

Right now, as you can see, fear has just begun to return to the markets. We don't think the spreads are wide enough yet to begin loading into stocks... But it's the first sign of a bottom buying opportunity being created.

Next, we pay close attention to money flows. This is simply a measure of how much capital is buying stocks, measured by weekly flows into (or out of) equity mutual funds. Again, the indicator is the grey line, and the S&P 500 is the black line. This is a correlated indicator. As money flows into stocks, they go up. Likewise, when money flows out of stocks, they go down. What we want to do is look to buy stocks when other are selling them at panic rates. We saw this opportunity in 2002. We saw this opportunity again in late 2008. And... I'd wager... we're seeing another such opportunity develop right now.

There's one other indicator I use. And... for some reason... it tends to create the most confusion. I like to see how many stocks around the world are trading for stupidly expensive prices. Please understand, I'm not attempting to analyze these companies. I'm not saying they should be sold short. I'm not saying they are going out of business... I'm only saying that their extremely high prices make it very unlikely that investors buying these stocks today will see good long-term results.

For me, the definition of a "stupid" price is a company with a market cap of more than $10 billion (a huge company) that trades for more than 10 times annual sales. As every businessman knows, as you get bigger, maintaining annual grow rates gets harder and harder. In my experience, very, very, very few companies bigger than $10 billion in market cap can justify such a high share price (10x sales). I'm not saying it's impossible... just rare.

So when I see a dozen or more stocks around the world trading at these kinds of prices, I can tell there's far too much "froth" – far too much greed, far too many inexperienced investors bidding up prices to "stupid" levels. When my "Black List" of overpriced stocks gets longer than 10 or 12 names, I get concerned – not about the individual names, but about the overall level of the market as a whole.

When I began to publish my Black List a few months ago (March 2011), 13 names appeared on the list. Since then, the S&P 500 is down 8%. Five of the stocks on the list have fallen by double-digit percentages. Today, only five stocks remain on the blacklist. My bet is that by the time we reach the actual market bottom, there will be zero names (or maybe one) left.

Ticker
Short Name
Market Cap
P/S
P/E
Total Return YTD
BIDU
Baidu Inc
49,964,539,904
30.23
65.16
48.86
VMW
Vmware Inc
37,276,028,928
11.08
68.96
0.89
PSA
Public Storage
21,282,609,152
11.87
40.86
21.28
AVB
AvalonBay Communities
12,537,719,808
12.20
98.03
20.83
ALXN
Alexion Pharmaceuticals
11,042,280,448
16.69
92.78
47.61
The key to understanding this indicator is simply to realize it's not about the names on the list, it's about the number of companies on the list. Subscribers were confused how Silver Wheaton (NYSE: SLW) could be on the Black List and also in our recommended portfolio. Analyzing resource companies by their current revenues can be misleading, as the market tends to value these stocks by the size of their reserves.

As a result, we don't include most resource stocks in our Black List... But Silver Wheaton, as a royalty company (not a miner), is a stock that doesn't fit neatly into these categories. The point is, any stock's inclusion in our Black List doesn't necessarily mean we would short it. It just means its share price is trading at a level that will require substantial amounts of future growth to justify.

Good investing,

Porter Stansberry

STANSBERRY'S INVESTMENT ADVISORY
MODEL PORTFOLIO
Prices as of September 8, 2011

Symbol
Ref.
Date
Ref.
Price
Recent
Price
Div.
Description
Action
Return*
Risk
"No Risk"
Wal-Mart
WMT
9/9/10
$51.91
$52.21
$1.40
World Dominator
Hold
3.3%
5
Johnson & Johnson
JNJ
7/6/06
$60.52
$64.95
$9.89
World Dominator
Hold
23.7%
5
Exelon
EXC
10/9/02
$21.47
$42.94
$15.20
Nuclear power
Hold
170.8%
5
Hershey
HSY
12/6/07
$40.55
$57.88
$4.70
World Dominator
Hold
54.3%
5

The "Next Boom"
ConocoPhillips
COP
4/2/09
$41.45
$65.88
$5.57
Cheap oil
Hold
72.4%
5
Calpine
CPN
5/13/10
$13.93
$14.41
Nat gas power
Hold
3.4%
5
BP
BP
2/11/11
$45.93
$37.08
$0.84
Cheap oil
Hold
-17.4%
5
Silver Wheaton
SLW
12/1/10
$37.90
$40.70
$0.06
Silver secret
Buy
7.5%
5
Monsanto
MON
11/18/10
$59.63
$67.36
$0.84
Soaring food
Hold
14.4%
5
San Juan Basin
SJT
1/7/10
$18.34
$23.16
$2.59
Cheap energy
Hold
40.4%
5
Dominion Res.
D
7/19/11
$48.00
$48.15
$0.49
Export LNG
Buy
1.3%
3
Silver^
SLV
8/12/11
$34.10
$41.22
Inflation Hedge
Buy
20.9
5

Victims
UltraShort Euro
EUO
5/13/11
$17.55
$18.02
Debt crisis
Buy
2.7%
5
iShares US Bond**
TLT
2/11/11
$88.19
$110.31
$2.41
Debt crisis
Buy to Cover
-27.8%
5
Pulte Group**
PHM
1/6/11
$8.23
$3.91
Real estate crisis
Buy to Cover
52.5%
5
General Electric
GE
6/15/11
$18.55
$15.59
$0.15
Debt crisis
Sell short
15.1%
5
Capital One
COF
6/15/11
$48.00
$43.10
$0.05
Debt crisis
Sell short
10.1%
5
R. Bank of Scotland**
RBS
7/19/11
$14.35
$6.81
Debt crisis
Buy to Cover
52.5%
5
Deutsche Bank
DB
7/19/11
$50.78
$34.11
Debt crisis
Sell short
32.8%
5
Education Mgmt
EDMC
8/11/11
$17.74
$15.85
Fraud
Sell short
10.7%
5
Gannet
GCI
9/8/11
$9.87
NEW
Obsolete
Sell short
NEW
5
D.R. Horton
DHI
9/8/11
$9.80
NEW
Obsolete
Sell short
NEW
5

* This is the return since reference date, including dividends.
** Prices when Trailing Stops or 50% gains were hit.
^ Price adjusted by profits from selling January 40 calls.

Stansberry's Investment Advisory's Model Portfolio does not represent any actual investment result. Our reference price represents the price of our recommended securities at the time we wrote the recommendation. Our sell price represents the closing price at the time a reasonable reader would have had the opportunity to sell, typically the day after such a recommendation is given.

Please note: Our investment philosophy requires limiting risk through the use of trailing stop losses. Unless otherwise noted, all recommendations use a 25% TRAILING STOP LOSS. NEVER ENTER YOUR STOPS INTO THE MARKET. KEEP SUCH INFORMATION PRIVATE.

How to use a trailing stop: A stop loss is a predetermined price at which you will sell a stock in case it declines. A "trailing stop" is a stop loss that "trails" a stock as it rises. For example, let's say you set a 25% trailing stop on a stock you purchase for $10. If the stock rises to $20, you would move your trailing stop to $15 ($5 is 25% of $20, $20 - $5 is $15). Only use closing prices, and never enter your stop into the market

Mr.Scott
09-10-2011, 07:48 AM
GREECE :laughing:

FWIW Jimbo, I watch all that stuff too. Keep feeding the links. I might miss one or two.

MaadDaawg
09-10-2011, 09:29 AM
this may be something you already read, but it's supposed to be updated. Link after urgent steps to tak now

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Witchdoctor
09-10-2011, 09:37 AM
Damm, that is is some interesting shit.

For me though I think the best way to try to save it and change the world in the process is simple

World wide

If it is not fixed never vote for the incumbant. fire them every election if it is not fixed, that this guy is good and this guy is bad bullshit has to end, We need them to work as a team period and if one fails they all fail, they soon enough would catch on..... if the econemy is not fixed and you are a politician you better start looking for a job ...........

Can you imagine the CNN coverage if every incumbant lost the upcoming election down to the PTA in every shit hole town in the US and across the the world.

We hired them and yet we snivle ..... fire their asses everyone

Off soap box ........... :laughing:

MaadDaawg
09-10-2011, 09:44 AM
Excellent point WD, but the problem right now is we can't wait 14 months to fire them and start over. In 14 months we could all be down the rathole :ohcrap:

Neuromancer
09-10-2011, 02:08 PM
Interesting stuff.

Hmm funny, I did not know that the word "decimate" changed. I thought it meant to reduce by 1/10th, I looked it up just now and that is considered obsolete. Guess I am really showing my age :S

(It changed in the 1800s lol):ohcrap:

MaadDaawg
09-10-2011, 02:10 PM
Interesting stuff.

Hmm funny, I did not know that the word "decimate" changed. I thought it meant to reduce by 1/10th, I looked it up just now and that is considered obsolete. Guess I am really showing my age :S

I'm with you Rich, I'm always pointing out how the word decimate is used incorrectly so often ?? How can they change the meaning of the word? Deca is ten (or it was).

decimate
www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/decimate.html - CachedYou can usually get away with using “decimate” to mean “drastically reduce in numbers,” but you're taking a bigger risk when you use it to mean “utterly wipe out. ...


jeeez...

Kal-EL
09-12-2011, 12:57 AM
Decimate some PI

MaadDaawg
09-12-2011, 06:47 AM
Interesting day today.

Stock market is tanking even more on fears of a European crises evolving around the assumed to be inevitable Greek default. The head of the Euro bank is out right admitting the Euro zone is a mess and doesn't know what to do about it.

Germany and France are publicly arguing whether or not to pay Greece the next round of bailout money unless Greece can put down collateral. With Greek bonds paying upwards of 87% with NO BUYERS, a default is likely soon unless the Germans change direction.

Three French banks that hold large amounts of Greek debt are getting their stocks hammered, while most the big banks in the US are also getting hammered because of their monetary positions with the French banks.

The strange thing is that both gold and silver are experiencing a minor pullback from previous highs so it may (or may not) be a good time to pick up some of both.

MaadDaawg
09-14-2011, 08:37 AM
because of their holding of Greek debt.

http://www.moneynews.com/Headline/Moodys-French-Banks-Ratings/2011/09/14/id/410907?s=al&promo_code=

MaadDaawg
09-22-2011, 03:07 PM
Just received one from a "Safe Money" report I subscribe to. The SHIT IS HITTING THE FAN! :eek: In case you haven't noticed, the stock market was down about 470 points today, after loosing something like 300 yesterday! There are people talking a dow 7000 (truly the end of the world lol)

Todays drop took 1/2 trillion dollars of wealth out of the economy!!! Your 401Ks and IRAs probably took a big hit :ohcrap:

I had ETFs in gold and silver, but just sold them off since the metal markets are correcting and may drop significantly. If you hold actual bullion, hold it. If you have prescious metal stocks or ETFs, sell them . As per the "expert" that sent me the report.

Buy shorts on the Euro, real estate, oil, and base metals. My Euro short ETF is like a gold mine :D

Believe or don't believe as you see fit - just passing on some info

Obama fiddles while the US burns - fucked up Bros

MaadDaawg
09-23-2011, 04:48 AM
This is on a non password protected website so i can share it. note somehing this does not mention is that a high rangking official in the Bank of China made a statement not long ago that soon China will be in position to liquidate it's holdings of US Dollars :eek:

where they to do that, we'd be fucked big time
:ohcrap:

video
http://agorafinancial.com/reports/AWN/cc/AWN_creditcard_alt_vp2.php?code=EAWNM941&o=472471&s=476108&u=22140710&l=313494&r=Milo

I'm not advocaing your buying anything they're selling, just posting it for your info

MaadDaawg
09-26-2011, 05:43 AM
latest as of 9/26

http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/pimco-el-erian-europe-economy/2011/09/25/id/412200?s=al&promo_code=D1FA-1

MaadDaawg
09-29-2011, 05:26 AM
Wall Street Journal this morning.

"GERMAN'S RECONSIDER THEIR TIES TO THE EURO"

Greece may not get another "bridge loan" and be forced into liquidation

Could the Euro die this week? Probably not, but it's getting close as they are running out of options. US is thought of as last ditch rescuer, but we're so damned broke that ain't gonna happen.

MaadDaawg
10-02-2011, 05:22 AM
Sign up to Restore America. Very interesting video.

Free signup

http://www.harborpublishing.com/pro/1109PRAEOAV1/X350M910/PR

MaadDaawg
10-10-2011, 07:47 AM
Dexia, the largest bank in Belgium just bellied up... film at 11 :ohcrap:

MaadDaawg
10-10-2011, 12:38 PM
BUT A MUST WATCH, especially if you will be sending your children to college.

http://email.theblaze.com/gb40/wmws/THBL/1318277708641_259/w121028.php?custcode=THBL&bid=46529101&pbid_=46529101&pemail=jimgallanis%40aol%2Ecom

MaadDaawg
10-13-2011, 04:34 AM
American flags not allowed in restaurant or banquet halls

http://visiontoamerica.org/4761/olive-garden-restaurant-bans-display-of-american-flag/

MaadDaawg
10-14-2011, 07:52 AM
The scariest part of this newsletter is it mentions the possible downgrade of 3 of the largest banks in Europe, the ones that are currently propping up the Euro to keep it from going bust. If these banks fail, the US banks fail

http://www.moneynews.com/Headline/InvestmentBanks-Ratings/2011/10/14/id/414427?s=al&promo_code=D415-1

Kal-EL
10-14-2011, 01:38 PM
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT2ae_wkcW6SWKuNKqlKf9bSfbon9-kuW6R9vBHHA9XQHzhPe2G

MaadDaawg
10-14-2011, 02:21 PM
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT2ae_wkcW6SWKuNKqlKf9bSfbon9-kuW6R9vBHHA9XQHzhPe2G

:laughing: yep, that sums it up pretty well :laughing:

DOM
10-14-2011, 05:30 PM
I'm DOOM on stream haha

MaadDaawg
10-15-2011, 06:37 AM
Signed up for the MOtley Fool today. Some good stuff.

Won't post too much of what I read cause I don't want you all to get too bummed out :keeporder:

lesstutrey
10-15-2011, 01:02 PM
Signed up for the MOtley Fool today. Some good stuff.

Won't post too much of what I read cause I don't want you all to get too bummed out :keeporder:

Similar to stuff you'd find in the nation, the oldest news magazine in the country :). Love me some The Nation. Some people say they have a liberal bias, but these people are conservatives who think that any thought different from theirs is liberal. And of course all these banks credit ratings WERE downgraded.

MaadDaawg
10-17-2011, 06:32 AM
I wanted to put this in the funniest vid thread, but unfortunately, there's nothing funny about it :ohcrap:

Before you watch, picture in your minds eye the spectacles made by various Democrats over the past weeks claiming allegiance to the "Occupy Wallstreet" protesters. Barak Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Charles Rangel, Micheal Moore and on and on and on. Funny how this group on the video constantly appears at rallies held by George Soro's army of ants...

avG4LgTF0ho#!

MaadDaawg
10-17-2011, 06:44 AM
Famous John Lennon song re-written to fit todays protestors

MaadDaawg
11-01-2011, 05:46 AM
A MUST VIEW PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

I'm not trying to sell his whatever, I don't get a kickback. Posting this for your info only because I also believe the shit is about to hit the fan.

http://agorafinancial.com/reports/AWN/cc/AWN_bubblevideo_100411_vp.php?code=EAWNMB05&o=510925&s=514783&u=22140710&l=330261&r=Milo

MaadDaawg
11-03-2011, 06:31 AM
Remember those "cartoons" put up using the website where you type in the text and it generates characters to speak it? Well, this one had to be done on the super premium edition of that software :shock:

It is a non-partisan production demanding our government return to the Constitutioinal Republic. A position I for one fully endorse.

Very stirring, and about fucking time

MYycZOCJv4k

Neuromancer
11-03-2011, 06:58 AM
Computer voice is annoying.

MaadDaawg
11-03-2011, 07:01 AM
Computer voice is annoying.

lol can't argue with that one :D

MaadDaawg
11-13-2011, 06:00 AM
If you haven't seen it, you have to see it. It is scary as all hell :eek:

Part 1 is on pay per view now.

The story, written my Ayn Rand decades ago could be based on the events of the past couple years and depicts what a lot of economists are warning about. Also depicts how progressive politicians will make it worse. (don't get pissed, just telling you about the movie)

Story starts in 2016, gas is over $36 bucks a gallon due to chaos in the middle east. There are no more commercial airlines and trains are the only economical way to ship freight.

There are extremely wealthy, and people walking around with their resumes as Vice Presidents on sandwich boards looking for work.

The politicians create laws to make everything more "fair" and destroy jobs and lives by doing so. An elete few business men are approached by an unidentified man in a hat who offers them a country where government doesn't intrude and they inevitably "disappear" as they leave the US.

Prosperous States are penalized to help the less prosperous States.

The main bad guy politician is a dead wringer for Barak Obama in his thinking and way of doing things. Only difference is he's white and overweight.

Want to see where our future is going - see the movie!

My wife actually read the novel and says the movie is true to the novel.

Many liberal organizations went to great lengths to try and stop this movie from being made. It is easy to see why while you are watching it.

Remember, this book was written several decades ago, but could have been fashioned out of today's headlines - scarier than shit man.

WATCH IT :D

Neuromancer
11-13-2011, 03:28 PM
While I appreciate your Zeal in this current economic downturn, and considering my own proclivity towards Cyberpunk mythos style literature I think you are missing the point of the novel, err movie...

Atlas was a the guy in greek mythology that was sentenced to bear the weight of the world. Statues have him arms up and back holding the planet on his shoulders.

Shrugging (bumping your shoulders up for a second) would shake up the world. But since this is a literary sense and not a literal suggestion, the world survives the event and comes out as strong(er) as/than ever.

In effect a shake up, that betters life.

TBH; I will have to watch the movie because I do not remember the book that well, read it almost 30 years ago, when I was a prolific reader. Now I am mind numbed by Internet and have not even completed Gibson's Burning Chrome series *sigh.

EDIT: Oh, ok. I ddefintiely do not remmber the book well, Just googled the wiki bits. While they do not actively state it is an anti-communist literature... that is what it is. The Bad times are full of "statism" which in Rands timeline meant the big red scare and start of the cold war.

TBH, you dont have to play the socialist card with me, I think Republicans are pretty socialist too. Im a libertarian though. I think the feds are there to prevent states from going crazy with laws. And run the military.

MaadDaawg
11-14-2011, 11:47 AM
Being of Greek decent, I'm aware of Atlas and carrying the world etc.

I think you have your libertarian credentials a little skewed, as libertarians believe the Federal government should have little to no rold in running the country - which, of course, is the job of the states (at least per the Constitution). The Fed can only perform those duties as strictly outlined in the Constitution, which includes running the military, but has nothing to do with dictating social polices to the states.

Your definition leads to the Federal Government restricting the rights of some for the good of the many, which is, no offense, the main tenant of socialism.

My wife read the book and she says the movie is loyal to the book. Her interpretation of the book was that it promoted self determination with the Federal Government staying as much out of the picture as possible. Part 1 of the movie depicts crooked politicians conspiring with greedy business men [Edit Added:] to insure that only they win and everyone else gets screwed [End Edit Added]. Something eerily akin to what is currently happening to our economy now. From Hoover, Roosevelt, Johnson, Carter, and now Obama.... pushing for a society that is "fair". I'm telling you, you could take the speech out of the end of the movie and it would sound just like Obama talking :eek:

Life ain't fair, and penalizing the successful to take care of less fortunate destroys the foundation that Capatalism is based on. This coming from a guy who's been unemployed for a year :P (don't even THINK of touching my unemployment pay :rofl: )

Part II isn't out until Fall of 2012 so as soon as I finish the book I'm reading now I'm going to read Atlas Shrugged. If you read it too, we could have an online debate :D

Neuromancer
11-14-2011, 07:25 PM
Being of Greek decent, I'm aware of Atlas and carrying the world etc.

I think you have your libertarian credentials a little skewed, as libertarians believe the Federal government should have little to no rold in running the country - which, of course, is the job of the states (at least per the Constitution). The Fed can only perform those duties as strictly outlined in the Constitution, which includes running the military, but has nothing to do with dictating social polices to the states.

I did not want to presume anything about your knowledge of mythology :)

But my understanding of libertarian is identical to yours, so not sure why you think its skewed. Yes the individual states will be responsible for the day to day, but the fed government does still exist to make sure universal truths are upheld (IE the constitution)

Patch
11-14-2011, 09:18 PM
MD, read Faith of the Fallen by Terry Goodkind. Very Ayn Rand-ish, without the boring.

MaadDaawg
11-15-2011, 07:21 AM
A good 60 minutes episode. Could have been part of Atlas Shrugged - crooked politicians and businessmen/women. except, this is real life. Gotta watch the movie that's embedded in the web page

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/60-minutes-are-members-of-congress-trading-stocks-on-inside-information/

Patch, I'll read your book, but first I gotta read Atlas Shrugged so I can see for myself how it tracks in the movie. Besides, can't wait until Fall of 2012 to find out how it ends :laughing:

Neuromancer, smart man - I don't know shit about Greek mythology :rofl:

MaadDaawg
12-15-2011, 07:40 AM
Short the Euro, while you can :cool3:

http://www.yolohub.com/economy/the-collapse-of-the-euro-the-death-of-the-euro-and-the-end-of-the-euro

Patch
12-15-2011, 10:55 AM
I'm starting to buy art I like to supplement long term plans and spread eggs to some different baskets. I want something I can see and hold and I don't like gold enough to risk hopping on an expanding bubble.

Trying to acquire the original paintings of cover art to paperbacks I loved as a kid. Man, I wish I could afford a nice Frazetta......

Figure I can enjoy them for the next 30 years, then sell to help fund retirement. If they're worthless at that time then anywhere else I put my money probably will be too. Ammo and seeds will be the new currency. :)

MaadDaawg
12-15-2011, 12:38 PM
Ammo and seeds will be the new currency. :)

Yep :thumbsup:

I have few hundred comic books that are from the early to late 70's if you like comic art. Also have most of the first five years of Omni Magazine, which was avante garde art.

Don't forget to insure your art in case of fire :eek:

MaadDaawg
02-18-2012, 07:13 AM
http://www.thethirdjihad.com/

Neuromancer
02-18-2012, 07:13 PM
I know gold is a bad investment. Foxnews not only have commercials selling it, but hawk it on their news programs.

(Good investment 5-6 years ago when it was $400 an ounce, but it shot up way to much over the last few years (400%) if anything now is the time to SELL your gold :) )

But foxnews dont tell you that...

MaadDaawg
02-19-2012, 04:44 AM
I don't remember the video having anything to do with gold :Dizzy:

Actually, most analysts are saying hold your gold and buy on future downturns

Neuromancer
02-19-2012, 08:04 AM
I don't remember the video having anything to do with gold :Dizzy:

Actually, most analysts are saying hold your gold and buy on future downturns

I was reading your guys posts about Art as an investment.

I tend to not click links anymore so just ignored that post :Hi: :)

MaadDaawg
02-19-2012, 08:40 AM
I was reading your guys posts about Art as an investment.

I tend to not click links anymore so just ignored that post :Hi: :)

Art is a great investment, so long as you don't mind holding until years after your dead for your heirs to collect :laughing:

MaadDaawg
03-15-2012, 06:55 AM
Interesting films out from Obama's college days

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgOy71oa3hw&feature=related

PhIlLy ChEeSe
03-15-2012, 02:52 PM
Oh damn politics I'm leaving!

Gold is good when money is bad, also if the dollar should fail gold was used long before bills and coins. In case of a war, gold is bought up during uncertain economic times like now, by people who have money. But a smart investor would have bought it right before our economy went to chit three and half years ago.

MaadDaawg
03-15-2012, 03:54 PM
Better yet, when it was 300 bucks an ounce :argh:

PhIlLy ChEeSe
03-16-2012, 03:08 PM
Better yet, when it was 300 bucks an ounce :argh:


I was gonna buy $5,000 worth of Qualcom years back like the eighties when it first went public, I'd have been a millionaire ova nite.

All the others must be up ski high too, like Silver, Plat., ETC.

MaadDaawg
04-06-2012, 12:37 PM
http://finance.moneyandmarkets.com/reports/SMR/4597/vsp-smr3.php?ccode=0406124977106smr&em=jimgallanis@aol.com&sc=CLST&ec=4977106

Not rocket science if you have all the data like he does

PS. This is non political, I post it as a public service to my brothers. Watch it or don't as you see fit. No need to respond that you didn't watch it because... because... I don't really care one way or the other :rofl:

MaadDaawg
04-07-2012, 07:40 AM
Just announced that Taiwan will begini trading with the mainland in Yuan, instead of US Dollars. Other countries are starting to do this as well.

China is being very aggressive in promoting this. If the USD loses status of the world's reserve currency, we are basically fubar.

Another video, no need to buy the service at the end, the info in the video is enuF

http://finance.uncommonwisdomdaily.com/reports/RWR/DEC-VSP/dec-vsp-alt.php?ccode=0407124958113RWR&em=jimgallanis@aol.com&sc=FPNXC&ec=4958113

Kal-EL
04-07-2012, 05:44 PM
Is it December yet?

MaadDaawg
04-08-2012, 06:18 AM
12/22 was it ?? :D

PhIlLy ChEeSe
04-08-2012, 07:13 AM
12/22 was it ?? :D

8 months n four days:ohcrap:

MaadDaawg
04-08-2012, 07:28 AM
8 months n four days:ohcrap:

Just about the amount of time Iran will need to develop their nuke, and detonate it inside of Israel :eek: This, according to the Iranians will bring back the 12th Imam, who is known in Christianity as the Anti-Christ.

Should be interesting :shock:

Mr.Scott
04-08-2012, 08:11 AM
It's actually 12/21.
North Korea is a much bigger nuclear threat than Iran is. I don't see that changing anytime this year. BTW, Iran and N. Korea have been collaborating on ICBM and nuclear technology since the mid 1990's, so I'm not surprised at all.

Besides.......everybody knows Time Warner is the antichrist.;)

MaadDaawg
04-08-2012, 11:05 AM
It's actually 12/21.
North Korea is a much bigger nuclear threat than Iran is. I don't see that changing anytime this year. BTW, Iran and N. Korea have been collaborating on ICBM and nuclear technology since the mid 1990's, so I'm not surprised at all.

Besides.......everybody knows Time Warner is the antichrist.;)

Times Warner? :laughing: I thought it was Tom Cruise :rofl:

If you compare the Mulim coming of the 12th Imam to the Christion End of Days, they are almost identical in every detail .... then of course there is the Incas :laughing:

Kal-EL
04-08-2012, 05:20 PM
Sounds like a pain in Mayan ass.

MaadDaawg
04-09-2012, 04:58 AM
Inca's , Mayan's, yurines, :laughing:

Yeah, think you're right... except maybe the part about a pain in their ass :laughing: They're dead and long buried, won't feel a thing :D

I'm really not big into ancient prophecies... it's the current numbers that worry me :scared:

Neuromancer
04-10-2012, 05:08 PM
It's actually 12/21.
North Korea is a much bigger nuclear threat than Iran is. I don't see that changing anytime this year. BTW, Iran and N. Korea have been collaborating on ICBM and nuclear technology since the mid 1990's, so I'm not surprised at all.

Besides.......everybody knows Time Warner is the antichrist.;)


Well is that GMT -6? Cuz that is where the mayans resided mostly. Does it occur at exactly midnight or 12 hours and 21 minutes after?

Just curious so I can prepare :)

MaadDaawg
04-14-2012, 04:12 AM
Don't really know. I'm at GMT ( or ZULU as it's aka) -5 :D

Spain's economy went to shit today, and JP Morgan Chase & Wells Fargo (only 2 of the largest banks in the country - BofA was already a basket case) went south today as well. I'm thinking my short positions should be making some good money by Monday :D Wish I had sold off my stocks a few days ago though :blink: :laughing:

Neuromancer
04-17-2012, 06:41 PM
I type GMT but say ZULU, its a military thing.

Actually that question is from a cyberpunk movie... Strange days

it is a few days before new years eve 1999, and a radio talk show host gets a call from a religious zealot talking about the rapture happening at the stroke of midnight. So being in Los Angeles he asks if that is Pacific standard time :)

I just wish I was that quick on my feet when dealing with fervent believers in ideas. (I appreciate believing something strongly, but generally the wackier the idea the wackier the believers).

gotta say though... looking through your links and such, when an Accountant gets all holy roller on your ass you gotta stand up and take notice. Accountants are some of the most boring people ever. for them to do something interesting is unbelievable in itself :)

MaadDaawg
04-18-2012, 04:41 AM
Hey man, my wife and daughter are accountants dammit :rofl:

Actually, they're auditors, so no offense taken :laughing:

Neuromancer
04-18-2012, 02:01 PM
lol. i was using an old stereotypes like...


Have you heard the joke about the interesting accountant?
Me neither.

MaadDaawg
04-18-2012, 02:13 PM
Oh the stories I could tell :laughing: