help with sub-timings please

[ny_driver]

I have this kit (http://www.valueram.com/datasheets/KHX2333C9D3T1K3_3GX.pdf) with the MSI Big Bang and a 920DO.

Just passed 32m @ 955MHz with 7-8-7-22-78. It passes @ 1050MHz with 7-9-7-23-78. I have no clue what I might want to adjust beyond those 5.

Thanks for the help.;)

[Chuchnit]

What I do is find out where the auto subs are set. Then you just go one timing at a time testing until efficiency goes down or the run is bugged. Then it's either more vdimm or loosen the timing back to where it works.

[ny_driver]

Seriously?.........there is 22 sub-timings in cpu-tweaker(actually 2 are greyed out):shock:

What do you use to test for efficiency?

[Splave]

well aida is good for fast bandwidth testing then 32m for long version

[ny_driver]

OK, cool that's pretty much what I am doing already. Aida and 32m. :) Thanks.

[ny_driver]

Where should I start lowering things for better efficiency? Any suggestions would be excellent.

[Splave]

are these hyper IC's?

[ny_driver]

Elpidas I think is what they are called. KH2333C9D3T1KX/3GX---9905402-135.A01LF

[Neuromancer]

Elpida is the company that makes hypers.

Oddly Google can not find that model number anywhere on the web :S

K2 K3 I can find not Kx

Loking at HyperX t1s in that range there seem to a be a couple. Newer sticks DEFINTLEY not hypers.

KHX2333C9D3T1K3/3GX

Definitely not hypers. 2000 9-10-9 JEDEC.. 9-11-9 at 2333...

Could be any number of elpida chips I am not a RAM guy, I do not recommend cracking them kingstons use thermal tape to hold the spreaders on but you would need a heatgun and pressure to get them back on. not like ADATA that actually glues them on. (ugh) Ripped the ICs right off my adatas. Still, it is pretty easy to figure out which ones they are though by running them. Compare your results to other peoples that have cracked them

[ny_driver]

Elpida is the company that makes hypers.


KHX2333C9D3T1K3/3GX



That is the correct model#...I mistyped it in the previous post. What do you mean they are definitely not Hypers? I'm more of a ram newbie than you.

Thanks for your help bro.:thumbsup:

EDIT: here is what it says on the visible part of the pcb.............

front it says: JEDEC RC/AO.72, and at the other end: 94V-0

back it says: 2025402-OF1.COO, and the other end: VIC 5A and 1015

[Neuromancer]

ITs not hte PCB you need to read its the ICs themselves.

Elpida is the company that makes Hyper ICs..They also make other ICs.

http://www.elpida.com/en/products/ddr3.html

Look under part number you will see they end in 4 letters. That is how people refer to them.. that is their current product line. It does not include past chips since even my BDBG is not listed (whih I have)

They point it... you do not need to read the ICs to figfure out what chips are on it :) You can run the memory and see what results you get..

[Splave]

My guess is BDBG or BBSE probably bdbg. spreader is easy to remove with a hair dryer :D

[ny_driver]

ITs not hte PCB you need to read its the ICs themselves.

Elpida is the company that makes Hyper ICs..They also make other ICs.

http://www.elpida.com/en/products/ddr3.html

Look under part number you will see they end in 4 letters. That is how people refer to them.. that is their current product line. It does not include past chips since even my BDBG is not listed (whih I have)

They point it... you do not need to read the ICs to figfure out what chips are on it :) You can run the memory and see what results you get..

My guess is BDBG or BBSE probably bdbg. spreader is easy to remove with a hair dryer :D

That was easy Splave, they are indeed BDBG. Is that good?

[Splave]

they have a place in my heart as they helped get me to MOA americas :D

http://hwbot.org/community/submission/1081267_splave_superpi_32m_core_i7_extreme_980x_6m in_11sec_188ms

with the 1gb kit should be easy 2100 6-10-*-24

[ny_driver]

Wow cas 6, that's great. I hadn't even tried that low until now.

@ 1000MHz 6-10-8-24 it does 32m. I wonder if I can tighten anything up seeing how I'm cpu limited on the memory speed anyways.

I tried 6-9-6-22 at first and got bsod.

Testing now.

[Splave]

careful easy to pwn your OS messing with subs :)

32m is all uncore too btw ;)

[ny_driver]

OK thanks for the warning. ;)

So 6-9-6-23-78 seems to get me a little lower latency than 7-9-7-23-78. (38.3ns vs. 39.3ns with cpu @ only 2400MHz). Must be faster then....right?

That there is enough to get me to re-bench it. Plus I have the cpu figured out a little better now so I should be able to improve all my scores except maybe cpuz....251 bclk seems unreachable.

Honda said he maxed it out @ 250 with LN2 on an R3E w/ CB, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's all it's got does it?

6-9-6-22-78 = bsod
6-8-6-23-78 = bsod

[Splave]

Looks good, if you hit a mhz wall with your ram...next step would be loosen to 6-10-6. Lower is not always better though too, settings tRFC too tight will F things up.

[ny_driver]

Knocked off 5 seconds first try using the same speeds as my previous best. :taunt:

I'm not going to submit that one though.....I'm pretty sure I can do better, plus the checksum is covered up.

EDIT: now of course I cannot even duplicate the time. 2 f-ing seconds slower almost wtf??? Only thing different is the DT background. I guess I'll try running the bench with it blank.

[Neuromancer]

too tight TRFC definitly messes things up :) MY machine was booting SO SLOW windows were opening painfully slow. I screwed up and had TREF set the same as TRC. both at 24 !!!

Surprised it booted .. lol

Have you tried not using classic theme? Use luna green or silver :)

[ny_driver]

No this is the first time I've used TinyXP in awhile.....was using Lite. I'll try another theme next. But I can't understand why I can't get near that score again?

I can't believe I figured I could beat that because it was the first try.pullhair

Mine boots pretty slow, should I raise TRFC?

EDIT: pullhairpullhairpullhairpullhairpullhairNow it's not exact in round and I haven't changed anything...and the temp is actually a little colder.

[Neuromancer]

Might have just borked the OS a bit as Splave mentioned earlier. If you use OS images I would flash the drive and try again.

[ny_driver]

Yeah, it's crossed my mind. Probably do that now.

You think I screwed it up with 78 tRFC?

[ny_driver]

Wow reinstalled everything and still can't even get close to 7m 14.890sec. 2 stinking seconds off still.
This is fun.

[Splave]

dude you should be using olive theme anyways :) cuts time

Also LSC enabled?

[ny_driver]

LSC=1 yes.
I only have classic and standard color schemes on my Tiny rev09. Do I have to install it a certain way to get that?
I did bare with added driverpacks this time(option#7).

EDIT: everything is now reinstalled. I did option #3 non-bare etc and I have the olive theme. My ssd has been reformatted and everything is all set up nice and neat. My waza partition is on a seperate sata drive like normal. Nothing extra installed - just chipset & display drivers, spi, snapshot, cpuz, realtemp, and a couple pics for the DT background.

If I can't beat or equal the 7min14.890sec I got 2 days ago with the classic theme, I'm going to continue trying forever until I do.:keeporder:

[ny_driver]

2 questions.......or 3

What happened to the other half of my physical memory seen by task manager? I'm using the same hardware.
Only thing different is the way I installed TinyXP. I did option 3 for the olive theme instead of option 7(bare).

And why does waza sometimes just not work at all?
It was working until I installed dotnet 2.0, and I only installed that because I know I had it on the 7min14.890sec run.

Do I need dotnet for 2d?

Thanks for the help.

[Splave]

2 questions.......or 3

What happened to the other half of my physical memory seen by task manager? I'm using the same hardware.
Only thing different is the way I installed TinyXP. I did option 3 for the olive theme instead of option 7(bare).

And why does waza sometimes just not work at all?
It was working until I installed dotnet 2.0, and I only installed that because I know I had it on the 7min14.890sec run.

Do I need dotnet for 2d?

Thanks for the help.
count the decimal places mate ;) 10 in olive 9 in classic.

My guess is you havent set max mem to 600 yet in olive. Also did you set pagefile to 512-512 on wazza partition and off on superpi partition :Hi:

PS Read recovery timing cuts a huge chunk ;)

[ny_driver]

:blush: ohh I see now. So the # is 4x what it is in classic, I definitely don't understand that one.

Already set maxmem, but only 512 by mistake. I set the paging file to 512-512 on the spi partition always, and I didn't know anything about setting it on the waza partition.
Thanks for the tips Splave.

Geez I had things more screwed up than I thought, how the hell did I get that score? :Dizzy:

[Splave]

super pi partition set page file to none
wazza partition will show up and set it to manual 512-512

This is in system, performance, advanced, page file :) just click on your wazza partition drive letter from the box and set the page file you can access it even if you dont have an install on it this way

[ny_driver]

Well after all this straightening everything out and doing several runs, with waza apparently working well, I'm slower than I was on the slow run I posted a screenshot of with no waza earlier.

I was only 2 seconds off my goal yesterday, now I'm 3. Getting a little tight now.pullhair

At this point I have no choice but to do a new fresh install on a different HD and compare the results. I don't know what the HD really has to do with my spi32m score though, but I'll find out soon if it's any different on a seagate barracuda than it is on my ssd.

EDIT: also I now see that you showed the PF size for the waza partition in the tutorial, I just wasn't watching close enough before.

[Neuromancer]

You can try running FLP. :) Easy efficiency. Do a full install, run in diagnostic mode with themes enabled. (and the usual LSC, Maxmem and Pagefile tweaks).

[ny_driver]

It just makes me crazy that I have done so many things to "improve my spi score" and try to reproduce that 7min14.890seconds and I haven't really gained anything.

Best I got so far is 7min16.250seconds which isn't that bad if it wasn't 1.5 seconds off that freak run I had.:blink:

I have FLP on disk here, may as well give it a shot too. Thanks for the suggestion bro.

[sumonpathak]

sorry for hijacking...but what is LSC?


am still learning so bear with me:)

[Splave]

large system cache :) in xp its under system-performance-advanced

[sumonpathak]

aye aye skipper..........
btw......which version of xp works best for spi32m?

[ny_driver]

TinyXP rev09 is about as good as it gets.....aside from server2003 in Chinese, as far as I know.