help overclocking please..........

[ny_driver]

I have never had an Intel before, and it seems like there is a lot more to it than with AMD.

Anyways, right now I'm just trying to see if I can get a good cpuz run.

I set the vcore to 1.35v for a test run and left everything else on auto because I don't really know what else to do. I disable HT, overspeed protection, and c-state, and I set it to 1 core.

It crashed at like 3.3GHz, which just made me feel confused and clueless. I guess I need some coaching here. :Dizzy:

Thanks!!;)

[Mr.Scott]

You're just confusing yourself. Everything OC's the same way......just the nomenclature is different.;)

[ny_driver]

Maybe I am, and it probably is mostly a terminology issue, but I still need help.

[Splave]

dont set it to 1 core ;)

turn off all the crap and ht, disable speed step and all c states.

uncore multi must be x2 ram multi or higher, up to 1.55vtt seems to be okay, up to 1.6vcore is okay.

[Hondacity]

bclk starts @ 133

go to 136 - 139 - 142 etc.. - ....using just bios...

[ny_driver]

OK thanks Splave. :thumbsup: I just gotta get SetFSB to OC with I guess. I really wish there was a handy program for remotely overclocking/monitoring like on ASUS.

[Witchdoctor]

BIOS does a fine job

just got to play with it a bit

[Hondacity]

OK thanks Splave. :thumbsup: I just gotta get SetFSB to OC with I guess. I really wish there was a handy program for remotely overclocking/monitoring like on ASUS.

gigabyte ...doesn't have one...

[ny_driver]

I honestly thought I was done having to constantly go into the BIOS to make adjustments unless it crashes.

[Kal-EL]

Wait, wut hardware we talking about specifically?

[Splave]

this is xpower right? use the OC panel gizmo that attaches to the board

[ny_driver]

X-Power with a 920DO. I dislike the little gadget thing.

EDIT:...........the gadget might not be so bad now that I found a good place for it and I don't have to hold it in my hand like a video game controller.

[Kal-EL]

The tolerance of this board using the gadget thingy for increasing clocks seems pretty good.

Take note of the peripheral voltages at stock clocks then set them manually yourself in the bios, then start your oc process focussing on the vcore initially, then things like qpi/vtt later.

[rickss69]

Not from a Gigabyte mb but you can start here if you like...

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq69/rickss69/th_DSC00366.jpg (http://s434.photobucket.com/albums/qq69/rickss69/?action=view&current=DSC00366.jpg)

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq69/rickss69/th_DSC00367.jpg (http://s434.photobucket.com/albums/qq69/rickss69/?action=view&current=DSC00367.jpg)

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq69/rickss69/th_DSC00368.jpg (http://s434.photobucket.com/albums/qq69/rickss69/?action=view&current=DSC00368.jpg)

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq69/rickss69/th_DSC00369.jpg (http://s434.photobucket.com/albums/qq69/rickss69/?action=view&current=DSC00369.jpg)

[ny_driver]

Thanks guys. :thumbsup:

My board is an MSI X-Power Big Bang. Here are the main BIOS screens that I have questions on.

I think I see the reason why it crashed @ only 3.3GHz........probably due to the memory timings being too tight.

The following is a list of safe voltages given to me, but I'm not sure which ones some of them are in my BIOS.
EVGA VDroop Control = Without VDroop
CPU VCore = 1.5
CPU VTT = +175mV (1.2 to start)
CPU PLL VCore = 1.845
IOH PLL VCore = 1.845
QPI PLL VCore = 1.40
Dimm Voltage = 1.68
Dimm DQ Vref = +0mV
IOH VCore = 1.375
IOH/ICH/ I/O Voltage = 1.575
ICH VCore = 1.225
I need to know which is the VTT for starters. And also which is the IOH PLL Vcore? And what is DIMM DQ Vref? I think I can figure the rest of them .

CPU VTT is also known as QPI/VTT and QPI/DRAM.....that doesn't help me.

[Splave]

qpi voltage is vtt

[Hondacity]

this....

[ny_driver]

Dammit I figured QPI was going to be VTT, but that leaves me wondering about other voltages.

One at a time I guess. I feel like a total clueless rookie here, :blush: some things are starting to make sense though.

Thanks.

[Splave]

1.55vCore
1.6vtt (board has bad droop, this will equal low 1.5's)
1.65cpupll
1.7vdimm
IOH and ICH you can bump up a bit from stock

[Splave]

I will throw XP on my xpower and d0 920 and join you in the struggle. What temps are you benching at?

[ny_driver]

Cool!:thumbsup:

Ummm...Real-temp says -7s....when I run prime it dabbles into the low single digits.

I have Tiny7 installed on this HD.....but I installed it on the CHIV and it just happens to work. Shall I reformat before I go any further?

[Hondacity]

prime is for ...ummmm

wprime1024 ....is for benchers...

[ny_driver]

I wanted to see 100% load temps. Prime comes to mind. I've never checked the load% while running wprime. I will now though.

Going to reformat that drive right after I eat.

[OC Maximus]

I have Tiny7 installed on this HD.....but I installed it on the CHIV and it just happens to work. Shall I reformat before I go any further?
New motherboard = fresh os installation with chipset & display drivers

[ny_driver]

I was about to and then Windows loaded unexpectedly so I figured I'd play around with it.

[Splave]

hey bro, played with it a bit, at -30c or so this will get you 5ghz as a base for cpuz benching :) turn qpi mode back to fast for other benching. Boot 220x21 and up in windows.

Then just go from there, boot up raise clocks 1bclk at a time and see where it freezes.....add 2or3 pci-e mhz see if it helps...add some vtt see if it helps....add some vcore see if it helps....then add some more pci-e mhz etc. 225 to 238 bclk was a matter of raising pci-e from 108 to 115.

You need eist enabled for turbo to be enabled for x21 multi.

Good luck man :thumbsup: drop any questions in the thread

[rickss69]

Save your memory tweaking until last...you will be fighting on too many fronts if not.

[ny_driver]

Thanks I think I can work with that.....looks like I need to (EDIT:re-download) and reburn my Tiny7 though for some reason windows files will not expand.

[ny_driver]

OK here's a question for ya.....why does it drop back to a 12x multi?

I set everything like you said except for only 1.68v on the borrowed memory and it booted right up to ~4.6-some GHz, but now it's back down to a 12x before I could even take a screenshot.

I thought I read that I should have the DRAM voltage .05 higher than PLL or something like that......don't want to damage the goods. Know anything about that?


EDIT: WOW spi in 8.8 seconds first run.......that's like 2 x 1090T...........LOL

[rickss69]

It's because you have EIST enabled...try it without it for effect.

[ny_driver]

Then I won't get Turbo boost though right? Hmmmm........

[Splave]

make sure
enable eist
disable c1e
enable turbo
disable OC stepping

Disable all cpu page options less eist. def need it for turbo

[ny_driver]

I'm pretty sure I had it just like you showed earlier Splave. Is the multi supposed to stay at turbo speed or 20 somehow?

[Neuromancer]

QPI PLL a lot of boards do not have... when they do have it and it is not called QPI PLL it is called IOH VCCA 1.1v

IOH/ICH IO voltage is PCIE voltage. Some baords like EVGA link them. Some split it up as IOH PCIE and ICH pcie and some only offer IOH PCIE.

Sucks not everyone uses the QPI PLL because for me that had the greatest impact on BCLKing in my n00bish experience. (Then again the R3F didnt really need it, it would run up to 220BCLK on all auto settings :S) Higher it probably was needed.. I managed to hit an unstable 237 on it. But really anything past 222ish was unbenchable.

QPI slow link mode is only a good idea for CPUZ or if it allows you to jump to 5GHz. It seemed to have about a 7-8% impact on performance when I was trying the superpi 8M challenge a while back. (went from 1'30" to 1'35" IIRC). Try it I keep seeing people recommending it, but there must be something else to it then just enabling it.

[ny_driver]

I benched this @225bclk with 1.65 VTT....haven't really tested max bclk yet. Tomorrow for sure.

With this chip and turbo enabled for max multi....how do I get a validation when it jumps back to 12x while idling?

[OC Maximus]

Load the cpu.

[ny_driver]

That doesn't seem like a very good idea when about to go for max cpuz.

Just noticed the little "XS Bench" button at the bottom of realtemp. It only loads the cpu @ ~13% for ~10 seconds. I guess that will work.

[Hondacity]

1.65vtt for 225mhz is too much...even 1.5 should work....im just guestimating..

[GeorgeStorm]

Yeah I'd say it was too much, haven't had the chance to test my 920 cold (probably won't as the board only does 220 apparently)
But I can get 200 at 1.34ish, so 1.65 seems very high.

[Neuromancer]

heh heh I thought I was a juicer :)

way to high a VTT for that speed. And if you are dropping to 12x multi disable EIST and CSTATES in the bios.

[ny_driver]

Thanks guys.

I was just going by what I thought Splave said....but what he actually said was "1.6vtt (board has bad droop, this will equal low 1.5's)" .....it just showed 1.65 in the s/c.

I'll definitely go lower today on the VTT(for starters anyways).

I have eist enabled so I can have Turbo enabled for max clock speed.

[Neuromancer]

Just disable C-STATES then, though I never heard of needing EIST enabled for turbo to work on X58.

[rickss69]

^ Nor have I...possibly related to that specific mb?

[ny_driver]

If I disable EIST, turbo disappears from the menu.

[Splave]

Thanks guys.

I was just going by what I thought Splave said....but what he actually said was "1.6vtt (board has bad droop, this will equal low 1.5's)" .....it just showed 1.65 in the s/c.

I'll definitely go lower today on the VTT(for starters anyways).

I have eist enabled so I can have Turbo enabled for max clock speed.

check it with a dmm ;) you will be shocked

Im tellin ya guys you need eist lol I just benched it for 2 hours to get him some settings :) xpower is almost as ass backwards as this deluxe p8p board...
What bios you on NY

[Neuromancer]

check it with a dmm ;) you will be shocked

Im tellin ya guys you need eist lol I just benched it for 2 hours to get him some settings :) xpower is almost as ass backwards as this deluxe p8p board...
What bios you on NY

We believe you splave, just never heard of it before SB. :blink: Last MSI board I ran was the X58 platinum 222BCLK wall but was very solid up to that and disabling turbo opened up the 21X multi for all 4 cores in BIOS IIRC.

[ny_driver]

Which one on the board is VTT....is it QPI? If so I get 1.13v at stock settings. The others are CPU-.95v, DDR-1.49v, IOH-1.09v, and ICH-1.48v

I have BIOS V1.4B8 according to cpuz.

WOW.....assuming QPI is VTT at this point...I set it to 1.5v and get 1.28 on the meter. I'm running wprime1024 now and the cpu is not getting too nhot at all like last night. Max temp is only 43C today and it hit in the 90s quickly last night with 1.65VTT.

Wprime is still going, 30% now 44C max. Guess 1.65 isn't necessary at only 220 bclk/4620 cpu.

EDIT: that was only 1 thread..oops, with 4 threads it hit 80C pretty quickly and I stopped. What is too hot.

[Neuromancer]

ICH should also be 1.1v like IOH. More than likely that reading is misnamed and it is the PCIE voltage it is mesauring.

Yes VTT = QPI or QPI DRAM depending on what company produces it.

[ny_driver]

Good to know thank you.:thumbsup:

I just ran spi32m @ 230 bclk with VTT set to 1.5v and reading 1.28 @ idle and PCIE @ only 110MHz.

It froze up when I increased it another 2MHz. Not sure what was the cause yet.

Memory was @ 900 something with 8-8-8, going to try 8-9-8, but probably need more VTT or PCIE to get higher than 230 bclk.

EDIT: looks like I'll need to get some LN2 for the lengthy benches, or learn DICE.

[ny_driver]

Sorry everyone....it turns out when I was saying I was using 1.65VTT, what I meant was CPUPLL. I was just confused. I benched spi with 230 bclk and 1.35(1.28dmm)VTT.

Now I'm going to try raising the VTT a little and see if I can get past 231 bclk.:thumbsup:

And check this out.......I made it so I can easily check voltages right from my seat.
Left to right in back is cpu, qpi, & dram, and in front is ioh, ich, and gnd. :cool3:

[Hondacity]

stop drinking dave!!! lol

[ny_driver]

How come when I set it to 1 core and change nothing else it BSOD, but with 4 cores it boots up np?

[Hondacity]

because it is 22x....need more vcore...

turbo mode: +2x on


...what is your bclk?

[ny_driver]

Booting @ 220 till I set it to one core.

[kikicoco1334]

How come when I set it to 1 core and change nothing else it BSOD, but with 4 cores it boots up np?

i had that happening to me too!
and when i have all 6 on it works fine

[rickss69]

If you just want to use one core why not just do it in Task Manager? What is it you are doing that would make you want to boot with one core?

[ny_driver]

Just trying things.
It runs cooler that way.

[ThreeDhero]

What I do with my 4-way is boot in @ 215 around 4.5ghz I think, then use software and goto 4.9ghz+. Saves me from worrying about weather or not I can boot into windows or not. Although it's a evga board, with my MSI p55 I have to use the bios for overclocking. If you could get away with software Ocing I'd do that.

[ny_driver]

I guess that'd work. Thanks.

EDIT: 215 didn't work but 210 did. -2C with only 1 going.

Ohhh wow...I get a 22 multi now and only had a 21 before.......sweet and it's staying @ 22......ahh but it crashed at only like 220 bclk....not stable for some reason.

UPDATE: So for those that are wondering, I managed to get it to 5132MHz-244bclk (http://hwbot.org/community/submission/2121040_ny_driver_cpu_z_core_i7_920_5132.14_mhz) with ~1.55VTT. Haven't tried to press on yet, but temps are safe (~10C) without being loaded.

[Neuromancer]

How come when I set it to 1 core and change nothing else it BSOD, but with 4 cores it boots up np?

22X multi + it just sucks on single core mode. BCLK wall goes WAY down.

Very nice on the new CPUZ... 1.55VTT You mean Vcore?

If you just want to use one core why not just do it in Task Manager? What is it you are doing that would make you want to boot with one core?


22X multi... it never worked for me... but not trying stuff isn't exactly the OCA way :)

[Hondacity]

benching with the soundcard? lol

[OC Maximus]

I was wondering what the heck that was doing there :taunt:

[ny_driver]

22X multi + it just sucks on single core mode. BCLK wall goes WAY down.

Very nice on the new CPUZ... 1.55VTT You mean Vcore?

22X multi... it never worked for me... but not trying stuff isn't exactly the OCA way :)

Vcore and VTT.:thumbsup:

benching with the soundcard? lol

I was wondering what the heck that was doing there :taunt:

I don't really have a dedicated daily driver......well on 2nd thought my laptop , but I can't put that soundcard in my laptop. ;)

[Splave]

nice chip! :D faster then mine on single stage

[ny_driver]

There's more where that came from.:taunt:
Might try a little more vcore or something for 1 more run before I tear it down and wait for new HD and the rest of my triple channel kit.

Also need to check under the block for moisture....the chiller has been on there a few days now and it was my first time sealing one of these in. All I used was eraser.

EDIT: here's what it looked like. Just the slightest bit of dampness on the towels right around the chip. Perfectly dry and sealed in tight IMHO. :cool3:

Check out the thermal paste though, not sure how it got like that. I did use more than normal for some reason, but it looks weird. Has to be caused my moisture. I've never had that happen before, and I know it was squished down tight to the cpu....the surface of this chip is nowhere near as smooth as an AMD.

afterthought: I don't think it was seated good even though the temps were pretty good. Under load @ 4.8Ghz they were outrageous. There cannot be any insulation between the head of the block and the hold-down plate. NP.

[OC Maximus]

I don't really have a dedicated daily driver......well on 2nd thought my laptop , but I can't put that soundcard in my laptop. ;)
Oh, ok. That makes sense :thumbsup:

[ny_driver]

So I just tried running 32m @ 5100MHz(bclk 243)........did fine @ 5000MHz w/ only 1.506 vcore and 1.547 qpi.
1.537 vcore,
1.555 qpi,
1.685 ddr,
1.197 ioh,
1.540 ich
memory @ 971MHz 7-9-7-23-78
qpi link @ 2914
NB @ 4372.

It crashed BSOD ~ halfway through 32m. I then proceeded to lower the NB a notch to 3886 and it crashed BSOD part way through copy waza.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.:)

[Splave]

raise trfc a couple notches?
what was the bsod code

[ny_driver]

No code it was just a quick BSOD then restart with failed OC messages.

The memory is fine in 32m up to 1050MHz @ those timings.

EDIT: ohh yeah I need to set it so it does not auto-restart upon BSOD.

[ny_driver]

I live for double posting.......

Anyways I got it to run pifast @
cpu=5100MHz
uncore/nb=4370
qpi link=2900
ddr=971MHz/7-9-7-23-78

vcore=1.53v
uncore/qpi=1.33v(dunno why I had it so high before)
ddr=1.69v
ioh=1.197v
ich=1.54v

(All these voltages may still be higher than necessary and causing insability)

Haven't tried spi yet with less uncore/qpi voltage. I should be able to run it at least as high because I'll only be using 1 core for that.

I'll report back later.

[DOM]

try ioh/ich 1.25-1.35v both the same

[ny_driver]

Well guys, maybe 104 points is all I can do with the cooling I have available. I might get like 10-20 more points with better cooling.

When I'm single core benching it's hitting ~15C and with wprime it's hitting like 50-60C. I need to get a better water-block for the chiller for one thing.

So I seem to be banging my head on the wall now. I just don't know what to increase and it seems like a million possibilities.......along with the possibility that it just may not go any further without being subzero.

I'm sure I'll keep trying, but what do you guys think?


http://hwbot.org/community/submission/2129692_ny_driver_cpu_z_core_i7_920_5184.9_mhz

http://hwbot.org/community/submission/2152547_ny_driver_pifast_core_i7_920_16.56_sec

http://hwbot.org/community/submission/2152075_ny_driver_superpi_core_i7_920_7sec_969ms

http://hwbot.org/community/submission/2152046_ny_driver_superpi_32m_core_i7_920_7min_19s ec_516ms

http://hwbot.org/community/submission/2152551_ny_driver_wprime_32m_core_i7_920_5sec_54ms

http://hwbot.org/community/submission/2152549_ny_driver_wprime_1024m_core_i7_920_2min_40 sec_524ms

[DOM]

i say u did an awsome job to be just on a chiller :thumbsup:

[ny_driver]

Thanks DOM.:)

I guess I should get some 3d benches installed tomorrow, I have some 3d studying to do though.

I have 3 unmodded gpus I can bench on chilled water.........4890, 4850, and 8800GTS 640. Should be able to scrounge up a few points there, even with a 920........I hope.

[OC Maximus]

i say u did an awsome job to be just on a chiller :thumbsup:
Yeah, no shit. Keep it up there NY. :thumbsup:

[Kal-EL]

Awesome 5ghz club member on chiller, nice work bud :)

[GeorgeStorm]

Awesome results! The 920 is a real bointiful cpu ;)

[ny_driver]

Thanks brothers!! I appreciate the kind words, and I'll do my best to keep rolling in the boints.

When I asked "what do you guys think", I kinda meant more what do you think about the likelihood of my chip being near or at it maximum potential using only my chiller.

Do you think I can get any more out of it without some LN2 or DICE action?

[DOM]

on ln2 you should get more mhz but wouldnt know how much more.... depends on the chip

[Neuromancer]

ICH should not need more than 1.2-1.25 IOH though you can go higher with. It helps with stability at high BCLK.

IOH 1.1 @ 1.35-1.45
IOH 1.5 @ 1.6-1.65 (helps with 3D) this is also called IOH IO IOH/ICH IO or PCIE voltage.

[ny_driver]

I managed to squeeze a few more MHz out of the old 920 tonight without any trouble. It may go higher. ;)

Got #64 now of 807 (http://hwbot.org/community/submission/2154158_ny_driver_cpu_z_core_i7_920_5268_mhz)..... .a pretty good improvement, but I really want to get 5.34GHz.

My voltages were:
cpu - 1.575
qpi - 1.5
ioh - 1.2
ich - 1.54

Trying a couple things now. Lowered the ich for starters. Back in a few........edit: tomorrow

[Splave]

verrry nice work bro

[Neuromancer]

Hella nice job :)

Guessing that ICH is not really ICH v if you need 1.54 voltage. LOL Wouldn't it be nice if every motherboard manufacturer followed Intel specs. *sigh only the little ones do.

[ny_driver]

Hella nice job :)

Guessing that ICH is not really ICH v if you need 1.54 voltage. LOL Wouldn't it be nice if every motherboard manufacturer followed Intel specs. *sigh only the little ones do.

I think you're explanation in post#80 was right. I've got 7 voltages I adjust in bios......

at the top there is:
cpu
cpu-pll
qpi
dram

and at the bottom:
ioh
ioh pci-e
ich

I tried setting ioh and ich to ~1.25 and it wouldn't clock as far.....I'm pretty sure.

I got my starting voltages from this picture from Splaves post #26.....I've been making minor adjustments from there.

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EDIT: look at ocgmj submission 4 cores/ 8 threads with 22x (http://hwbot.org/community/submission/870841_ocgmj_cpu_z_core_i7_920_5288.18_mhz). How did he do that?
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[Neuromancer]

Spread Spectrum is enabled?

[Splave]

I think you're explanation in post#80 was right. I've got 7 voltages I adjust in bios......

at the top there is:
cpu
cpu-pll
qpi
dram

and at the bottom:
ioh
ioh pci-e
ich

I tried setting ioh and ich to ~1.25 and it wouldn't clock as far.....I'm pretty sure.

I got my starting voltages from this picture from Splaves post #26.....I've been making minor adjustments from there.

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EDIT: look at ocgmj submission 4 cores/ 8 threads with 22x (http://hwbot.org/community/submission/870841_ocgmj_cpu_z_core_i7_920_5288.18_mhz). How did he do that?
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I believe he was on the e758 evga vanilla that would freak out under high bclk and sometimes throw you a 22 multi lol!

[ny_driver]

Spread Spectrum is enabled?It is in Splaves picture, but I never had it enabled. Were you using spread spectrum Splave?

[Splave]

doesnt really matter, I usually disable :)