LN2 by Christmas...mark my words! [Archive]

ny_driver

12-11-2010, 10:09 AM

What do you folks think about pouring LN2 outdoors in sub-zero temps.? I want to be able to crank the voltage through my memory, chipset, and everything and have it all stay nice and cool.

The purpose of all the fans is what exactly? I am all ears to all advice and teachings here. I want everything to go smoothly and I want to get a couple more WR....

I want to take out knopflerbruce at least once.:trophy: I'm sick of seeing his name at the top of all the lists I am on.

Thanks ahead for the help guys. :thumbsup:

For the record I have the F1EE, a torch(what kind of gas do I need again?), and a ceramic carafe to pour from. I have no idea how to go about it though.

Will these 939 chips even handle the cold......knopflerbruce and others used LN2 on them.

Hondacity

12-11-2010, 11:37 AM

woot1

Splave

12-11-2010, 11:55 AM

GFDuke

12-11-2010, 12:47 PM

You can use propane gas or Mapp gas for your torch. Mapp is hotter and makes a faster warm up form cold bugging. IDK about the ceramic carafe. I'd try and find a Stainless Steel one. Depends on the type of ceramic i guess. Some fans you see people use are for cooling things like mosfets or vregs on video cards or ram. Other fans you see are usually to keep the LN2 vapor from forming condensation. Usually when you pour LN2 if you don't have a fan sucking the vapor away from the board the vapor will fall on to the board or come out of the pot and just fall because it is heavier than air. That vapor is a condensation cloud. Cold air meeting warm air.

ny_driver

12-11-2010, 01:22 PM

GFDuke

12-11-2010, 01:26 PM

I'm just worried about the glass inside breaking. I hope it can handle the temps.

ny_driver

12-11-2010, 01:39 PM

Probably to be safe I should get a stainless one.......Maybe someone who has used a glass/ceramic thermos will chime in..........

Neuromancer

12-11-2010, 10:12 PM

Nice explanation!
The carafe is plastic on the outside and like shiny silver thermos ceramic inside. It's from my last coffee pot.

So if outside, I probably don't need to worry too much about fans for cooling motherboard components....just mostly to blow/suck the vapor away.

Now I can plan the setup....since I didn't go to PO today and my new motherboard came in a day early. :blink: Who woulda thunk it...I bought it Thursday from a guy in Illinois.

Cheap crappy thermos style puring devices will evaporate your LN2 and frost up on the outside.

Colder ambients = less moisture in air = less condensate on board. :)

Fans hanging off the pot do both as der Dukemeister said already.

NOTE though. Fans can cool or warm devices depending on ambient. I prefer winter benching. Everything stays pretty frost free despite the 50-60C Delta (with DIce) with LN2.. you will get frost regardless but it will be a lot less I would assume (I LN2ed during the summer so...) I had more frost on my black and decker coffee cup (pour device) than my setup.

DOM

12-12-2010, 03:59 AM

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Aladdin-2-L-Carafe-Stainless-Steel/14968008

mine was like 15 bucks ;)

ny_driver

12-22-2010, 08:35 AM

Tonight's the night. :) Going to get either 30 or 60 liters. I'll probably get 30 and see if that's enough to bench all my cpus tonight. Maybe get another 30 tomorrow if necessary to do my AM3 chips.

Please stay tuned for questions. I'll be back in a few hours. :cool3:

Hondacity

12-22-2010, 08:52 AM

thermometer ?

ny_driver

12-22-2010, 09:06 AM

Got it :) and I have plenty of kneaded erasers. What else before I leave?

EDIT: My pot doesn't have a hole for the probe. Do I need to drill one?

Hondacity

12-22-2010, 09:15 AM

a vacuum flask...and a torch

Kal-EL

12-22-2010, 09:22 AM

Yah, need a small drill bit and drill out a temp probe hole nearest bottom of pot. Be carefull not to screw up the mounting surface by acccident!

ny_driver

12-22-2010, 01:23 PM

a vacuum flask...and a torch
I have a torch, just need gas.......and the best pour container I have is a really nice steel coffee thermos. Will this work? I'm sure not as good as a vacuum flask but I don't have to remove the lid to pour or should I?

Yah, need a small drill bit and drill out a temp probe hole nearest bottom of pot. Be carefull not to screw up the mounting surface by acccident!
Thanks that will be np.

I have until tomorrow night to prepare anyways. I talked to the owner on the phone and he thought they had LN2 but they did not. So they are going to get some tomorrow and drop off 30 liters at my house. The owner had his driver going to get just 30 and drop it off, but the driver said you can't because that little tank will be half empty by the time it gets to my house. So he's taking the big tank and then fill the 30 at my house tomorrow about 4-5pm. Which is better I suppose.

DOM

12-22-2010, 01:37 PM

that would work how it is in the pic

GFDuke

12-22-2010, 01:55 PM

Those thermos wil work perfect for you. For a first time user i think 30L might last you about 5 hrs of benching. Honestly i can go through 30L in about 2-3 hrs.
It goes fast so HAVE A PLAN.
Dukes Law with LN2: Just when you get to the point of knowing exactly what to do to get that score for high points you will run out of juice.

Couple of questions. Are you reenting the Dewar from them? Is it a presurized Dewer or just a storage Dewar that you will pour from.
My 35L non pressurized Dewar will hold full for about 2 weeks. I don't understand why he would say that. But thats cool that they will bring it and fill it right at your house for you.
My driver picks up my 230L Dewar on tues and drives around with it on the truck until Thursday when he gets into my area and changes out th empty tank. I probably loose about 25L in the transport process i think. idk for sure but there has to be some loss.

ny_driver

12-22-2010, 02:05 PM

I think it's just a large mouth storage tank. I paid only $1 to rent it, but $1.50/liter.

Working out the plan between now and tomorrow afternoon. I may even get 2 boards ready for the pot.

I don't have to be in a big rush though do I? I can stretch it out all night and take my time between chips I hope.

GFDuke

12-22-2010, 02:44 PM

No you dont have to worry about it evaporating fast. It dosn't evap fast at all when its not presurized. It takes about 2L just to get the pot down to temp though using a F1EE. Then theres the time and juice it takes to find your cold bug and CBB temps. Unless you just plan on going all out and worry about that when it hits. Are you just going to bench cpu's or Video cards too? If you're just doing cpu's you'lll have plenty of juice for a good time. Best of luck man. You're gonna have a blast.

ny_driver

12-22-2010, 03:16 PM

I plan to just bench cpus I think. I have a 3700+, an FX-53 and 55, a 4200+, an Opty170 and 2 Opty154s(one I haven't even tried yet:D). Think I can get through 7 CPUs?

Would you say all these chips will have a CB at some point? What do I do then....break out the torch?

Check out the pour spout on this thermos. Should work great if the plastic can handle the cold. They each hold 1 quart.

How long before a quart is gone and I have to run down to the garage again? Do I just pour a little in or fill the pot up or what?

I'm going to ask a lot of questions because I don't want to end up frustrated instead of having fun.

I'm sure I could find out a lot of this just browsing, but I'd rather get important information from people I trust know what they are doing.

Thanks for your time brothers.:cool3:

GFDuke

12-22-2010, 03:54 PM

Thres no way you will do all 2d tests with 7 cpus on 30L's bro lol. Pick 2 maybe 3. Fill the pot up slowly LN2 splashes so BE CAREFUL and don't get it in your eyes or on yourself. It burns. and if you can get the Dewar up to where your benching that would be good. You'll be doing alot of running. Like i said before it will take about 2 litrs to get your cpu to around -130. You will fill your pot about 4 times to get there. Depending on how much voltage you're putting into the cpu. Are you tweaking in windows or just in the bios? Better get used to the frustration bro...it coms with the territory. even seasoned benchers get frustrated. lol

cold bug example: If all of a sudden as you're pouring your mouse freezes up and dosnt respond at say for example at -130 but you still have a windows screen you've cold bugged. Then its time to turn off the pc manually. (I like to use the motherboard power switch when i can and not the psu power switch because i dont have to go back into the bios that way) break out the torch and start warming it up. Try restarting it at -100. If it dosn't boot get it to around -90. keep Trying to restart it as you get warmer. It will finaly start back up eventually. Lets say it starts up at -80. This is your cold bug boot temp. Now you know that you can't get colder than -130 and chip has to be at-80 for a restart. Keep a record of the cold bug and cold bug boot temps that way you will know exactly where your temps have to be. Almost every chip is different. Som don't cold bug at al and others cold bug at-80. Its always a mystery with a new chip.

ny_driver

12-22-2010, 04:11 PM

Thres no way you will do all 2d tests with 7 cpus on 30L's bro lol. Pick 2 maybe 3. Fill the pot. and if you can get the Dewar up to where your benching. You'll be doing alot of running. Like i said before it will take about 2 litrs to get your cpu to around -130. You will fill your pot about 4 times to get there. Depending on how much voltage you're putting into the cpu. Are you tweaking in windows or just in the bios? Better get used to the frustration bro...it coms with the territory. even seasoned benchers get frustrated. lol

cold bug example: If all of a sudden as you're pouring your mouse freezes up and dosnt respond at say for example at -130 but you still have a windows screen you've cold bugged. Then its time to turn off the pc manually. (I like to use the motherboard power switch when i can and not the psu power switch because i dont have to go back into the bios that way) break out the torch and start warming it up. Try restarting it at -100. If it dosn't boot get it to around -90. keep Trying to restart it as you get warmer. It will finaly start back up eventually. Lets say it starts up at -80. This is your cold bug boot temp. Now you know that you can't get colder than -130 and chip has to be at-80 for a restart. Keep a record of the cold bug and cold bug boot temps that way you will know exactly where your temps have to be. Almost eveery chip is different.

OK. :blush: I'm only doing 6 of 7 tests unless I can download pcmark05 somewhere. Doing some figuring beforehand will make it easier to figure out FSB/multis for each chip. I'm doing a little tweaking in Windows, just stopping things that use memory. I'm overclocking in BIOS and then via software above a certain point. Do you suggest increasing the voltage a little at a time or just give it 1.8+ and go for it? And I thought keeping it outside would be a good idea for preservation sake, but if it won't make shit for difference then I'll carry it right upstairs.

Has anyone ever tried using a heatgun instead of a torch?

Hondacity

12-22-2010, 04:18 PM

id rather remove that plastic cover...

edit..lol ninja posts

GFDuke

12-22-2010, 04:23 PM

Heatgun wont do it. It would be to slow and you'll lose alot of time. and i agree with HC that pouring spout will most likely get frosted and clog up.
Keeping LN2 outside wont make a difference at all.

lmao ya Ninja posting.

ny_driver

12-22-2010, 04:33 PM

Ok that makes life easier. I'll bring the 30 right upstairs and have two 1 liter thermoses to use so I'll have to open and pour less often. I need to get a nice funnel for pouring into the thermos.

EDIT: when it gets too cold, point the torch right in the pot huh?

GFDuke

12-22-2010, 04:44 PM

Yup aim for the bottom. I tried a funnel once..it didnt work out for me. I think you'll find pouring right into the thermos will be easier. But everyones different. What ever works for you.

Hondacity

12-22-2010, 04:48 PM

you can boot the pc with the pot mounted or not.

observe the pot while empty. its boring its not moving lol

splash or pour ln2 just a spoonful observe.

then observe some more...then pour some more....

if it freezes you've found a bug...a cold bug. note it down.

don't torch when it cold bugs. observe. maybe its gone after a few temp increase.

take note of frost buildup...if they build up and melt..its a puddle of water.

this is just 0.05% of my experience lol

GFDuke

12-22-2010, 04:52 PM

Plz dont confuse him.

ny_driver

12-22-2010, 05:17 PM

I understand what both of you are saying and how they can go hand in hand. I must exercise patience, and have lots of towels on hand for when I do need to torch, but I don't want to torch unnecessarily.

Splave

12-22-2010, 05:45 PM

if your benching newer amd stuff, get the pot the -190 and enjoy no cb or cbb.

ny_driver

12-22-2010, 06:02 PM

I'm saving the new stuff for another day, but the info is certainly welcomed. I'm going to do as many of my 939 cpus as I can get to this time. More points. :thumbsup:

EDIT: the list includes a 4200+, Opty152, Opty170, and hopefully get the FX-55 and 3700+ done too. It's all going to go very smoothly you see. So many WRs your heads will spin.;) Probably not, but hopefully a few more silvers.

ny_driver

12-22-2010, 09:00 PM

Ugghhh...22 iterations in to superpi32M I get not exact in round....the cpu is weak. I have to go to bed it's 2 am. Probably be up later tomorrow night hopefully.:)

Neuromancer

12-23-2010, 03:42 AM

I have a torch, just need gas.......and the best pour container I have is a really nice steel coffee thermos. Will this work? I'm sure not as good as a vacuum flask but I don't have to remove the lid to pour or should I?

Thanks that will be np.

I have until tomorrow night to prepare anyways. I talked to the owner on the phone and he thought they had LN2 but they did not. So they are going to get some tomorrow and drop off 30 liters at my house. The owner had his driver going to get just 30 and drop it off, but the driver said you can't because that little tank will be half empty by the time it gets to my house. So he's taking the big tank and then fill the 30 at my house tomorrow about 4-5pm. Which is better I suppose.

I would not use that thermos. They are glass lined , and if pouring coffee into one can cause swelling and glass shattering, I cant imagine what a massive temp swing like LN2 would do.

I love them thermoses but they are fragile.

ny_driver

12-23-2010, 04:33 AM

I would not use that thermos. They are glass lined , and if pouring coffee into one can cause swelling and glass shattering, I cant imagine what a massive temp swing like LN2 would do.

I love them thermoses but they are fragile.
Neither of the thermoses are glass lined. They are steel inside and out I'm pretty sure....or at least they look steel inside and sound like steel when I drop something in.

Hondacity

12-23-2010, 06:11 AM

i don't think they're steel..heehhe but rather aluminum.

Neuromancer

12-23-2010, 06:55 AM

They are old and steel and are glass lined. I had one too. Poured in a pot of coffee one winter day and SHATTER.

I am referring to the green stanley brand one. I do not know about the other.

ny_driver

12-23-2010, 07:37 AM

I can see the seam where the metal is joined/welded up the side of the interior of the Stanley thermos. I'm pretty positive it is not glass....perhaps you had a different one. Thanks for the warning just the same.;)

Kal-EL

12-23-2010, 07:54 AM

I use that green stanley one every session, carry on with confidence.

ny_driver

12-23-2010, 11:12 AM

I got the stuff :cool3:

Insulation is done, some fans are setup, probe hole is drilled and probe installed, I have the BernzOmatic fatboy full of Map gas.

I think I'm ready to actually mount the pot.

Last minute advice?:blush:

Hondacity

12-23-2010, 11:15 AM

use ceramique...

warm the pot to 30-40c...apply ceramique on the pot...so its soft like butter...

then mount on the cpu...

ny_driver

12-23-2010, 11:57 AM

I forgot to go buy ceramique.....all I have is shin-etsu and plain silicone compound. I used the shin-etsu like you said.

I don't like the torch already. How do you keep from burning shit? The retainer for the pot is plastic. My heatgun gets up to 1200 degrees and it's more controllable I think.

Hondacity

12-23-2010, 12:16 PM

plastic? which pot do you have?

only recourse is heat gun then..

ny_driver

12-23-2010, 12:23 PM

F1ee:blink:

Kal-EL

12-23-2010, 12:24 PM

Ugh, just be aware of where you point the torch?

ny_driver

12-23-2010, 12:29 PM

Ok well I'm about to go fill the 2 thermoses....brb.....then I'm going to start the computer up again and start pouring, carefully keeping track of the temperature it CB and the temp it takes to CBB.....right? Then I have to maintain the temp as close to the CB as possible.

Does a lot of voltage always help or sometimes makes it worse?

Kal-EL

12-23-2010, 12:33 PM

Hold the temp and overclock like you normally would in increments.

ny_driver

12-23-2010, 12:34 PM

The delivery guy said he thought that thing pumped like a keg or beerball......I think it's just a valve with a hose, so I'm going to have to remove the top and pour. That should be fun. ;)

ny_driver

12-23-2010, 01:14 PM

Now I got a little bit of a cloud out of the nozzle, but still zero pressure and no liquid. You think it will build pressure by morning sitting in the house where it's at least 60F.

I'd like to play tonight, but pouring into a thermos even with a funnel will be quite a challenge by myself. I could probably rig up a filling station somehow.

Kal-EL

12-23-2010, 01:17 PM

Huh? you have an extraction device and are waiting for pressure build up?

ny_driver

12-23-2010, 01:20 PM

Yeah, the tank has zero pressure probably because there is no air inside so I've been told. Plus it was sitting outside in the garage where the temp is ~20F for a few hours.

Kal-EL

12-23-2010, 01:32 PM

No idea, I'm a pouring bloak w/out extraction experience. Not sure if the device is removable or not. HOWEVER! I do know that if you attempt to pour it out thru a small hole, it will expand and shoot like a jet all over the place as it comes out the hole :)

ny_driver

12-23-2010, 01:34 PM

The hole is 4-5" in diameter. The tank has carrying handles.....I would need a good funnel is all......I think. I could try siphoning it....NOT.

Kal-EL

12-23-2010, 01:36 PM

Sure sure, if you're gonna pour out the big hole, you're green for launch :D
No need for a funnel, just pour straight into the green stanley.

ny_driver

12-23-2010, 01:41 PM

You promise I won't spill? ;) I think I may give it a shot.

Kal-EL

12-23-2010, 01:43 PM

First time out you never spill because you're so nervous that you are extra extra carefull. Trip #4 adn #5 your pouring ln2 all over the floor like a pro ;)

GFDuke

12-23-2010, 01:48 PM

What happened to me with a funnel was the LN2 swirled around and just flew off the top of it. If you're gonna pour and not wait for the pressure to build. I'd just pour straight into the stanly also.

They brought an empty Dewar to his house and filled it there. The guy filled it to the top for him, which was nice , but thres no room for xpansion of the gas so theres no room to build pressure. Either that or its frozen at the neck. But probably not. Put the heat gun or the torch on it, it will build pressure. Either that or wait until the morning. If you manage to pour some off and then put the fillr back on, by the morning it will have pressure i bet.

ny_driver

12-23-2010, 01:54 PM

Pouring it is not an easy task................

GFDuke

12-23-2010, 01:57 PM

Pouring from a 30L is def not easy. When i pour from my 35 i put it up on a chair. And i spill alot of it. lool

Hondacity

12-23-2010, 01:59 PM

Pouring from a 30L is def not easy. When i pour from my 35 i put it up on a chair.

i do the same:thumbsup:

i use the 25$ chair from staples...with wheels and it spins around easy.

i shoulda took pics of how i do it.hehehe

ny_driver

12-23-2010, 02:28 PM

Brilliant Honda! Check it out.:ohcrap: Easy as could be now.

ny_driver

12-23-2010, 02:40 PM

Well that chip was a waste. Couldn't OC it 1mhz further with LN2 and the pot at -70.....I'm changing chips. I'm angry.

Hondacity

12-23-2010, 02:57 PM

maybe maxing out something? ram? nb?

ny_driver

12-23-2010, 03:12 PM

Naww...chip just won't go any higher than 3246...but i decided to run some benches and it's doing much better than it ever did. :) So I'm happy again. I'll keep you updated.

WPrime is running at a much higher frequency....I'm loving that. I can get some decent points out of this cpu. I'm just going to keep benching till it's gone. I'm only running it ~-50C.

Hondacity

12-23-2010, 03:18 PM

niceeee have fun bro

ny_driver

12-23-2010, 03:20 PM

:D Can I say WHOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!and YEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Hondacity

12-23-2010, 03:24 PM

oh lord...another addiction ...lol

ny_driver

12-23-2010, 04:09 PM

YEEEEEAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! #2 Wprime32 :taunt:

EDIT: now I need to eat something, and switch to the brand new Opty152 for the rest.

Hondacity

12-23-2010, 04:09 PM

please go number1 :D

is it doable?

ny_driver

12-23-2010, 04:27 PM

please go number1 :D

is it doable?

It's like a 5 second jump and like another 400MHz to get #1.......I'm moving on for now.

Hondacity

12-23-2010, 04:28 PM

yep fight the wars you can abuse :D

Patch

12-23-2010, 04:32 PM

:thumbsup: :clapping:

Another guy bitten.

OC Maximus

12-23-2010, 04:50 PM

:thumbsup: :clapping:

Another guy bitten.
yeppers ;)

ny_driver

12-23-2010, 06:17 PM

Ok on to chip #3. The FX-55 Clawhammer. Thanks again Jerry.

Kal-EL

12-23-2010, 06:56 PM

Merry X-mas we have a new FrostFreeeeek :D

ny_driver

12-23-2010, 07:20 PM

..................still going, got about a gallon or 2 left. LN2 lasts longer I guess if you aren't going for super low temps. I'm only running -40 to -50 average. Lowest I saw was when I had a probe inside the pot and that was like -113 I think. I got the base down to ~-70 or so. I should drop a probe in the bottom of the tank and see what it says. Should be ~-190 right?

Hondacity

12-23-2010, 07:27 PM

yep

ny_driver

12-23-2010, 07:34 PM

I got a few points out of teh FX55..........and on to the Opty170, but just for max OC because it only runs single channel memory, and I may even get to do the FX-53 too.

ny_driver

12-23-2010, 09:19 PM

.............still have agallon or more left, I'm going to bed I can't even see straight. hopefully it lasts 6 hours or so.

Good night, and I really appreciate all the advice and coaching. :thumbsup: It was a good time for sure and I think I got at least 15 points. Maybe grab a couple in the morning:keeporder:.

over and out.

Kal-EL

12-23-2010, 09:27 PM

Roger! :) Good Show :D

Hondacity

12-23-2010, 09:44 PM

939 pornshow! lol

OC Maximus

12-23-2010, 09:59 PM

Outstanding work NY!

Keep "Fostering the Fever" brothas!

OCM :thumbsup:

GFDuke

12-23-2010, 11:38 PM

Hook, Line and sinker.

ny_driver

12-24-2010, 04:35 AM

Manipulating the text in the HWbot signature is tiresome for sure. It's getting better, but I can't seem to get the best OC back on the signature.

Looks like the LN2 kept overnight, but I probably only have enough to get the pot to temp. It's amazing the pot was still reading -20 at least a half hour after dismounting it.

Off to the PO then I'll try to freeze the 3700+ for a couple points......doubtful though as it was a very popular chip.

Neuromancer

12-24-2010, 06:51 AM

Nicely done NY. LN2 addiction sinks it claws again :)

w00t w00t!

ny_driver

12-24-2010, 07:03 AM

Thanks bro!

grrrrrr....I wasted ~3 liters on that 3700+ and I've a good mind to take it out back and shoot it. The chip is shot apparently. Ohh well.

Still got a few liters to go. :D

ny_driver

12-24-2010, 11:12 AM

I had easily 15 liters left this morning. I had to break out the 1090T with nothing else to do. Got it up to 5.689GHz (http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1553593)

Now I know a 30 is a weekend for me for awhile anyways.

ny_driver

12-24-2010, 03:38 PM

Well, all in all I'd say it was a good experience. Next time will be more relaxed, probably just do the 1090T again with 15 liters this time instead of 4, then the 965BE the next day with the rest.

I doubt I'll get 4 silvers and 4 bronzes next time, but that's ok. :cool3:.......it will still be fun. I'm going to have to grab a few more 939 cpus to torture.

Who knows I might get another 30 sooner than I think. That's what happens with hard drugs. :laughing:

Merry Christmas to all. Let it be a frosty cold new year.

I'll add some sexy pictures here soon.....I musta took 50 at least.

DOM

12-24-2010, 04:04 PM

it is like a drug but when you dont have cash for it it sucks lol

nice work ny :thumbsup:

ny_driver

12-24-2010, 04:27 PM

I have about 20 questions and mostly because my thermometer wouldn't go below -112.

So when the pot is filled right up and bubbling, but not evaporating off quickly, like in the picture, does that indicate that it's like below a certain temperature?

Thanks.

DOM

12-24-2010, 05:27 PM

its depends on the cpu my 980 ever went to -180c :P

but its -180c or lil higher pots at ln2 temps ;)

merry x-mas going to the inlaws :(

Kal-EL

12-24-2010, 05:44 PM

yer prolly somewhere near -190c at that point ;)

ny_driver

12-24-2010, 05:52 PM

That's awesome! :cool3: The only CB I think I had was on the old single core Optys...they were bugging out @ ~ -40 according to the thermometer that's not accurate, although it seemed accurate up to when it stopped at -112.

Good night from NY and enjoy your Christmas.

Kal-EL

12-24-2010, 05:53 PM

Well done :)

Splave

12-25-2010, 04:09 AM

ny_driver

12-25-2010, 04:27 AM

Yeah.....I could hardly pull myself away to eat or anything.....and at 3am I debated staying up to finish the LN2. There was like 15 more liters thank god I went to bed. :eek:

Probably get a refill sometime this week if I can scrape together $49.(don't tell anyone, but I'm going to rob my change jar if necessary):smackbum:

EDIT: what kind of case/bench is this....I want something similar to it. this here . I can't quite read the writing.
(http://www.overclock.net/attachments/amd-general/186587d1293250859-socket-939-winter-overclocking-contests-965_2.jpg)

Splave

12-25-2010, 04:34 AM

^ addict ;)

ny_driver

12-25-2010, 05:03 AM

Nevermind I figured it out. Thanks.

:ohcrap:EDIT: wow now that all the smoke has cleared my overclocking lair looks something like a bomb went off.

Motherboards, cpus, tubes of TIM, coffee cups, Mt.Dew cans, tools, remote controls, empty boxes, pieces of insulation and hoses strewn everywhere. :eek:

:bench:Fill er' up please.

Splave

12-26-2010, 11:54 AM

should be really proud dude, smashed your goal of ln2 goodness! :D

Neuromancer

12-26-2010, 09:21 PM

Such a pretty pic.

I ran AMD on LN2 as well and even a single core sempron did not let me get a vapor free shot like that of the pot.

Awesome ness is in the bencher not hte shot :) I lack it.
You pwn it :)

ny_driver

12-27-2010, 03:45 AM

Thanks brother.:thumbsup:

It was easy to get no vapor.....all I did was keep pouring into my super-insulated pot. I think the extra insulation helps hold the temperature better.....maybe. Check these pics out. The only place any frost formed was on the top of the pot which is how I planned it. ;)

Look at the pot about a half hour maybe after dismounting it. It's insanely cold still. :shock:

I had fun, and will be definitely getting another 30 before New Years....maybe that's how I'll spend New Years Eve....it sounds much more fun to me than getting drunk.

I gotta figure out how to clock my 1090T better....I could only get 5689MHz. :blink:

Splave

12-27-2010, 03:54 AM

what board you using with the 1090t?

ny_driver

12-27-2010, 03:58 AM

Crosshair IV Formula.

Splave

12-27-2010, 04:20 AM

with crosshair we had best luck with leaving most things on auto :X

ny_driver

12-27-2010, 04:55 AM

You mean like the NB and HT or the voltages? Could you be more specific?

I have LLC, C&Q and all that stuff disabled and I usually leave all the voltages on auto except the vcore,cpu/nb, and DRAM....and when I was benching I was setting the NB/HT @ ~ 2400/2100...you know fairly low but not auto with the memory underclocked. I tried up to like 1.82v vcore....is the voltage necessary?

ny_driver

12-28-2010, 07:31 AM

ok I'm back with another 30+ liters :) I got to fill it myself right to the top, which is a few extra liters I think. I know the guy that works down there.

I'm going to try to save it until Thursday and Friday night though. While I plan and study.

I've been looking at other peoples really high OCs and this one here (http://hwbot.org/community/submission/1090943_mad222_cpu_z_phenom_ii_x4_965_be_7306.83_m hz) strikes me as strange because of the very low voltage used. What do you make of that? Golden chip?

EDIT: it looks like he has a pot with no insulation too....could that be?

Hondacity

12-28-2010, 07:35 AM

1. golden chip...nb maybe
2. voltage was @ 1.8xxx.......is rather impressive...inte'ls 7ghz on 32nm needs more volts.
3. amd is improving their max cpuz...this will be fun..
4. gb-amd-ud7 is a freak

ny_driver

12-28-2010, 07:58 AM

1. golden chip...nb maybe
2. voltage was @ 1.8xxx.......is rather impressive...inte'ls 7ghz on 32nm needs more volts.
3. amd is improving their max cpuz...this will be fun..
4. gb-amd-ud7 is a freak

I didn't even notice the comment where he says it's actually 1.856v:blush:...........and I was wondering about that UD7 if it is actually better than my CHIV or not.

ny_driver

12-30-2010, 12:59 PM

I did a little shopping today to get ready for tomorrow night.
The 2 liter thermos will be way better. I went right to Walmart and got it like someone suggested for $15. :thumbsup: thanks whoever that was.

I'm psyched, I've got everything ready to go. So tomorrow evening it's on. Me vs. the 1090T. Then Saturday I'll take on the 965BE.

DOM

12-30-2010, 01:44 PM

it was me ;)

im thinking of getting a 2nd one lol

ny_driver

12-30-2010, 01:59 PM

I thought it was you;)

Top doesn't freeze up huh?

DOM

12-30-2010, 02:23 PM

the lid/cap ? i trashed that you dont need it unless your going to use it for your drinks lol

i also cut the top of the tip off, thinking it might frost it self closed but i dont think it will mine has very lil frost on the tip when pouring

ny_driver

12-30-2010, 02:31 PM

I'll experiment.

Did you try the fancy pour top thing? I'll try it, but I was thinking about just removing the stopper part of the top and using it that way.

I'd rather have it in a semi-sealed container.......so I can waste time taking the top off and on every time I fill up.

EDIT: the pour spout thing sucks. I took the stopper out and it's better. It pours kinda slowly, but doesn't take too long to fuill the pot.(practiced with H2O)...probably fill the pot 12-15 times from 1 container.

DOM

12-30-2010, 02:59 PM

so you wanna waste time taking the lid off lol

i didnt try it but ill post a pic of what i did to mine when i get home from work in 4hrs :(

ny_driver

12-30-2010, 03:07 PM

I pour too fast with the top off and it slops out. I'm trying to be neat this time. Last time it was splashing everywhere, which doesn't seem to hurt anything, just wasteful.

I was filling my thermoses with a 4" funnel...lol...the mouth of the tank is ~4".

DOM

12-30-2010, 03:13 PM

yeah i use a plastic cup i cut the bottom off to thats fits perfect in the pot also helps when pouring with the fans blowing

post a pic of that also ;)

your making me wanna go get some ln2 tomorrow :P

ny_driver

12-30-2010, 03:20 PM

get on it!:clapping:

We can party it up.

DOM

12-30-2010, 03:41 PM

lol... thing is i got a someone going to loanme there gpu pot... and it should be here by next weekend and wanna go for the gold on the gpus i got :) cuz i have any cpus to bench

but i could work on the 980x oc for 2d and 3d clocks but idk hmmmm cuz i not getting payed tomorrow and thats like almost 4 fill ups on my dewar im not goin to have on next weeks pay check :( pos job

ny_driver

12-30-2010, 04:05 PM

money sucks.......I robbed my change jar for this fill up. What do you work where they sell it or something? That would be good and evil.

DOM

12-30-2010, 04:18 PM

yeah wish i had a big ass tank to get a truck load of the stuff for cheap like airgas do

i googled and found a truck load is like 6 cents a L :shock:

just saw your edit idk what your asking but i was saying on one days pay i could fill up my dewar 4 times at airgas

im getting it for like .93 a L wish i was getting that .50 like splave :(

ny_driver

12-30-2010, 04:51 PM

geez I'm paying $1.45/liter for 30 at a time. I can get it for $1.10 if I get 180, but I'd have to pay $1.50/day rental....screw that.....soon I won't be getting it there.

I found a place that doesn't charge rent they do a credit check/deposit system, and I think the LN2 was only like $ .70. They have 165 liter tanks.

DOM

12-30-2010, 05:02 PM

idk if theres other here idk how to look for them but i think there is but airgas didnt rent out tanks also damn mofos said it was also the same even if i had a bigger tank

ny_driver

12-30-2010, 05:33 PM

I took my dremel to the top and gutted the middle, except the red lever, cleaned up the hole, and now it pours a nice predictable, strong, straight stream. It could leak out the lever hole if you tip it upside down way too far. It works awesome. :cool3: Check it out.

There has gotta be other welding supply places around. There is 3 around here...1 local, Airgas, and Haun...and I live 40-50 miles from anywhere major....and by major I mean small cities.

DOM

12-30-2010, 05:48 PM

thats what i did but with a box cutter i dont have a dermel but cut my leg when doing it i stll got the mark lol

oh thats what there called i was looking for ln2 places

ny_driver

12-30-2010, 05:57 PM

:ohcrap:lol x2....try Lubbock Welding Supply...that was all I could really find.

EDIT: I butchered it with the dremel, no tools for really cutting plastic....fortunately it didn't need to look pretty.

Kal-EL

12-30-2010, 08:03 PM

I totally butchered the crap outa mine, unusable now, hehe :)

ny_driver

12-31-2010, 02:36 AM

Perhaps a little tutorial is in order here?:laughing:....wait, is that a hole in your leg?;)

EDIT: picture added

I should have used a hole-saw.:blush:

ny_driver

12-31-2010, 04:03 PM

Having nothing but problems here this time. Thermometer stops at -110 and I don't know what the damn problem is. LEDS indicate DRAM.............. Got it going with 1 in the last slot.....think frost built up in the 1st DIMM slot with the stick in there, but that didn't happen last time. I don't even know what the frack I'm doing about some of this I just realized......lol.....I learn well the hard way. It seemed so easy the first time....beginners luck?
Time to take a step back for a few.:band2:(yes of course it's Jerry :D)

DrNip

12-31-2010, 04:06 PM

ny_driver

12-31-2010, 04:21 PM

I had the same problem with my temp gauge except it stopped at -130. It was like trying to see in the dark and sucked. Ended up ruining my last session.

Watch the language bro, PG-13 forum here. I ninja edited your post for ya. :Hi:

I ran the 1090T w/ LN2 the other day with no problems and the same thermometer. Now I can't get it to OC at all with 1 in the last slot.....gotta mess with it for awhile.

My bad, thanks. :Hi:

EDIT: 1st slot works again:) EDIT: Dual Channel works too, then I poured a bunch of LN2 while in bios and it froze up and now acts same DRAM.

ny_driver

12-31-2010, 05:06 PM

Every time I think I've got it straightened out it freezes up again. I don't know...either this 1090 , or my memory or who knows what. Guess I should try another CPU. It's all work now.:eek:...yup now according to the board the cpu is bad....gonna pop the 965 in there.

EDIT: everything works fine with the 965.......what a waste of time and resources. I'm going to bed because I have a bad seat on the 965 because I was too lazy to warm the pot up and put good TIM in there when I switched cpus. I'll remount it in the morning and use up this juice....what I didn't waste. My eyes are beat and I'm already partially soured o the experience for now.

Happy New Years anyways. Tomorrow will be a better day at least with the 965. Wonder what the problem with the 1090T is....I've been using it.