Kingpin Gemini Pot, black anodization + mapp gas = toxic fume

[Hondacity]

Kingpin,

We've been benching with the gemini pot...we love it. till we were burning the anodization into some sort of fume.

If you're torching and feeling your eyes burn...toxic fumes are already airborne. better wear some goggles and some micro dust mask.

Another indication before the physical pain is perceived...the blue flame from your torch turns into green.

We're not sure if compressed air + anodization , caused de-anodization.

We had plenty of ice, after benching several hours. This prompted drilling into the ice and air blasting it with compressed air.

Can we get non anodized alu body? I think this is a legit health concern.

OCA FTW

[Witchdoctor]

Will the old aluminum dice extension work ???

Never had one so I am not sure how much the new one was revised


Plus any Local fab shop should be able to hook you up provided with a good drawing

[Hondacity]

the extension should work...

im not sure what you're recommending though..hehehhe

[Kal-EL]

Honda, is this something you've personally brought up at Kingpin Forums or thru e-mail/pm with Vince already?

[Splave]

http://wayitisnow.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/mustard-gas-smells-like-garlic.jpg?w=411&h=581

in all seriousness mine doesnt turn green when fired, even when its not cold

[Hondacity]

Honda, is this something you've personally brought up at Kingpin Forums or thru e-mail/pm with Vince already?

not yet...


splave

ummm mustard gas? is that like mace? sorta like mace...

[Splave]

its what you get after eating a hot pretzel

[Hondacity]

pics to follow

after msi pre q

[Gunslinger]

I have not seen this myself with my pot, and didn't see it at all when we had 4 of them going in Detroit.

[Hondacity]

we were benching celeron....no cb...cbb was -110 soo..the inner walls were getting 3500F.

pot is at another location so i don't have pics...

[Hondacity]

here's a gemini pot result that night...

http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/1490074.png (http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1490074)

[kikicoco1334]

great score man! same stepping as what i got =)
do you know what the batch number on that may be?

[Hondacity]

batch = xxxxxstayawayxxxxx

[kikicoco1334]

hmm?

btw why didn't you post the score on the bot? you'll get like 14 something boints out of it =)

[Gunslinger]

Kind of wondering why you're torching the walls instead of the base any way? :noob:

[FACE]

The fumes make it run faster...

[Patch]

Serves you MAPP users right. Always flaunting your "holier than thou" high falutin torchin temps.

Probably just fumes from the residue of the wheat grass and super blue green algae smoothies you've been drinking out of the pot.

[Chuchnit]

Serves you MAPP users right. Always flaunting your "holier than thou" high falutin torchin temps.

Probably just fumes from the residue of the wheat grass and super blue green algae smoothies you've been drinking out of the pot.

:rofl

[Hondacity]

Kind of wondering why you're torching the walls instead of the base any way? :noob:

i torch the base. the base with the holes.

[GFDuke]

Serves you MAPP users right. Always flaunting your "holier than thou" high falutin torchin temps.

Probably just fumes from the residue of the wheat grass and super blue green algae smoothies you've been drinking out of the pot.

You sure its Wheat Grass? I think Hondas spnding to much time with V2-V3. :taunt:

[ocgmj]

It's probably just let over Vaseline from your hands and other places... :taunt:

[Gunslinger]

soo..the inner walls were getting 3500F.


i torch the base. the base with the holes.


:cool2:

[Hondacity]

you do know that the heat in a semi closed volume is similar to all the walls right?

[Kal-EL]

you do know that the heat in a semi closed volume is similar to all the walls right?

Doesn't seem like anybody else has seen these green fumes Honda...
I'm not saying that you should stay away from the crack pipe or anything but I'd hit Vince up to see if he can replicate the Green Dragon Fumes just to be sure.

Meanwhile, if you like, I can test this Saturday by freezing the Gemini till frosty and banging it with Mapp several times. Unless someone else can confirm this oddity is a bonnifide Health Alert.

[Kal-EL]

hmm?

btw why didn't you post the score on the bot? you'll get like 14 something boints out of it =)

Good Question Kiki, inquiring minds want to know :scared:

[Hondacity]

its not my cpu..its my mobo though :D

[Hondacity]

here's one pic courtesy of the v2-v3

[DrNip]

Hmm dunno. All else fails just strip the anodized layer with a solution of Lye and water. Be careful though if you do this. I worked at an anodizing joint for a summer way back in like 01 and this is some wicked stuff.

[Neuromancer]

Lye is great, For dead hookers too!

just saying.

[OC Maximus]

Lye is great, For dead hookers too!

just saying.
:eek:

[k|ngp|n]

Man I don't know what your experiencing there honda. I have never seen anything like that or know anyone out of all the guys with the new units to see anything like that. I torch THE HELL out of my cpu and gpu units with black tops (multiple times daily lately) Never seen anything like this mang. I think you were burning off some other contaminent that got inside the container or something. You guys should eb careful with mapp gas in general, especially in smaller enclosed areas with poor ventilation as the gas itself is toxic.
On a side note, the walls of the container should never really get hot from torching while benching at all. Torching is typically done at subzero container temps., I don't get that.. are you torching the walls of the container at room temps or something just sitting there holding a mapp torch on it to see what happens when it gets red hot or something?

[Hondacity]

it happened while we were benching celerons....no cb on the p53e ...

we had cbb @ -120c or something...

weird i had a dream today...that you were offereing accessories..like the alu part of the gemini...lol

we benched teh pot again... we didn't have fumes(most of the black stuff was gone)..but i think we've done enough damage...to ourselves lmao...

as for torching..we made sure the air intake of the torch has all the air it can get..while torching... im pretty sure we hit the base...even if we hit the base the side walls were getting pretty damn hot...

im just watching out for everybody......

[Gautam]

I'm confused as to how your walls were that insanely hot during full pot benching. The walls shouldn't even be anywhere near ambient, let alone 3500F :S

[Hondacity]

its a semi closed container..heat transfer to the base...and the other heat will go out ...and of course the walls will get heated up to.

[OC Maximus]

Just call it P.F.M.

OCM :thumbsup:

[Bobnova]

Based on how anodizing works and the pot design, I'd say you had poor heat (cold) transfer from the walls to the base and the walls got rather warm.
Anodizing is a layer of aluminum oxide that gets dyed the color you want it. What point the dye boils/burns at is specific to the die.
I suspect that the walls were getting very hot and the base (where all the cold is) didn't have enough heat transfer to the walls to keep them cool, being as it is a separate part held on with the pot mounting.

Personally I'd use good old propane. Far less toxic.

[Hondacity]

Based on how anodizing works and the pot design, I'd say you had poor heat (cold) transfer from the walls to the base and the walls got rather warm.
Anodizing is a layer of aluminum oxide that gets dyed the color you want it. What point the dye boils/burns at is specific to the die.
I suspect that the walls were getting very hot and the base (where all the cold is) didn't have enough heat transfer to the walls to keep them cool, being as it is a separate part held on with the pot mounting.

Personally I'd use good old propane. Far less toxic.

1. i heat the base not the walls..
2. i'll stick with mapp gas it heats up the base alot faster and i don't have any more anodization anyways.

[lesstutrey]

I can see mapp gas burning the metals in an anodized layer and creating an interesting color flame. Heck, have you ever stuck copper or brass or aluminum even in a bonfire? You get some unusual colored flames (green is the one i see most). Burning metal salts is how fireworks work after all, and some used in the anodizing process are the same ones being burnt in fireworks. Heat that stuff up and it makes perfect sense this could happen, and probably ain't that great to breat.

I mean absolutely no offense by this but shouldn't the room and workspace be ventilated enough that anything like that would leave the area before causing any harm? Not quite the same reason you vent for the nitrogen gas, but the nitrogen alone is reason you should be ventilating well. If others haven't experienced perhaps they actually did have better ventilation, didn't notice it due to the fan configurations they had going, even just around the board, and it didn't cause any problems. I see anodizing the metal as pointless and purely aesthetic but maybe I'm wrong. But i'll shutup as i have a very expensive pot that has never been used, though i did take a torch to it once just to prove to myself i could do it to such a beautiful object.

[Splave]

its okay, just so happens the person that started this thread went full retard