ASUS ROG Experience Tour Overclocking Competition

[V2-V3]

***Update to the contest!***

Starting 7/29/10 - 8/5/10 we will randomly draw a lucky submitter everyday of their choice of an ROG thermos, ROG t-shirt, or ROG mousepad.

Online Tournament Outline:

Overclockers will use SuperPi 1m as the benchmark tool to achieve the fastest SuperPi 1m time. The TOP 2 overclockers to set the fastest time will advance to Round 1 finals and compete at QUAKECON 2010!

Online Tournament rules:

* Participants MUST be registered on the ASUSROG forums to be eligible for any prizes.
* Participant must be registered on HWBOT.org with the same user-name as the registered name on ASUSROG.com
* Participant must upload their submission on to HWbot for validation.
* Participant must post a link of their HWbot submission and insert an image or screen shot of their results in the Round 1 submission thread.
* Participant must take a picture of their ROG or ASUS motherboard and insert it on ROG forums Round 1 submission thread.
* BSWRHS Rules apply. Please refer to the ROG RULE BOOK for more details...
* ONLY SUBMISSIONS POSTED AFTER THE SUBMISSION DATE ON BOTH HWBOT AND THE ROG SUBMISSION THREAD COUNTS. BENCHMARKS SUBMITTED ON HWBOT AND THE ROG SUBMISSION THREAD BEFORE THE SUBMISSION DATE WILL NOT APPLY.
* In the event that there is a TIE, the submission with the lowest CPU speed will win. This result will show the user was capable of tuning their system better.
* Any signs of cheating will be banned for LIFE!

* You MUST have the ASUS ROG Experience Tour wallpaper set as your background when taking your screenshot and submitting it or it will not qualify!!! Wall paper can be downloaded HERE
* You can download SuperPi HERE
* You can download CPU-Z HERE
* Here is a great example of a SuperPi 1M screen shot HERE
* Submit your ROG motherboard benchmark HERE
* Submit your ASUS motherboard benchmark HERE


For more information please read the Terms and Conditions.



hey guys,
just wanted to add that we are aiming to put in about $13k in prizes.
there are 2 teams of 2 that may go to quakecon. 4 in total. each "TEAM" will get to take home the hardware they bench on currently we have:
2x Rampage III Formula
2x Crosshair IV Formula
2x GTX460
2x Intel 980x

This is for EACH TEAM so multiply that by 2
we are also working on getting more prizes in the pool once confirmed
2x SSD
2x Mem kits
2x 1200watt PSU
1x grand prize that is still TBD but well worth over $1000


Each team is roughly getting $6k in hardware that they get to keep plus an all trip expenses paid to the 2011 OC SUMMIT where you can win even MORE prizes.


Original Source
http://www.asusrog.com/rog_experience%20round%201.html

Benching time!!! :)

[Splave]

holy crap everyone gets 2 boards a gpu and 980x thats insane

[HITandRUN]

holy crap everyone gets 2 boards a gpu and 980x thats insane

Got to love ASUS! Doing something for the PEEPS! :thumbsup:

[Hondacity]

i want winnar :))

[Kal-EL]

How come only the three yahoo's that went to the IIIxIII 2010 event are here posting? Damn sell outs! :P

[Patch]

I wouldn't mind being a sellout. But I'm expensive.......and no-ones ever made a bid.

Don't think I'll have time to actually bench for this, much less spare the time to go compete if I win.

But I might.....

[Kal-EL]

I wouldn't mind being a sellout. But I'm expensive.......and no-ones ever made a bid.

Don't think I'll have time to actually bench for this, much less spare the time to go compete if I win.

But I might.....

Dewit! Maybe you can send an alternate in your stead, lol. :keeporder:

[Hondacity]

v2-v3 isn't and won't be competing in this event... he's with asus crew....

he's just helping out our team

as for me...i just talk alot ...

[FACE]

We have enough primo clockers here.... would be sick if OCA took all 4 slots and spanked that ass all over Quake.... :blink:

I'm liking ASUS more and more. The things they do seem so much better than other manuf. events.... maybe because their not so jacked. Gotta love it.

Someone needs to call up Dent and tell him he has to go. :D

[Hondacity]

Dentlord

wake up you have to go and dominate

[Witchdoctor]

Joey = Bad day for the competition ........

But you may have a tough time prying that eVGA board from his cold dead hands ....... :laughing:

[V2-V3]

Update to the contest!

Starting 7/29/10 - 8/5/10 we will randomly draw a lucky submitter everyday of their choice of an ROG thermos, ROG t-shirt, or ROG mousepad.

Current Rankings: Benchmark Super Pi 1M

#1 Splave 8sec 484ms

#2 AnthonyLackey 8sec 986ms

#3 RayW 9sec 640ms

#4 OregonSlacker 10sec 140ms

#5 ICEBOB 28sec 141ms

[Splave]

splig johnson trail blazin playa

[RomDominance]

gack wadayoke

[HITandRUN]

Update to the contest!



Current Rankings: Benchmark Super Pi 1M

#1 Splave 8sec 484ms

#2 AnthonyLackey 8sec 986ms

#3 RayW 9sec 640ms

#4 OregonSlacker 10sec 140ms

#5 ICEBOB 28sec 141ms

Nice keep this updated! :D :clapping: :good:

[RomDominance]

Hey H&R, check out the submission page there. For gits and shiggles, Splig and I posted the same scores....both 6.766s...his with a 655 and mine with the 670. My back-up at this point is a 6.656s. That's the best I could muster out of the Max3Formula this weekend. Gonna keep after it till its done.

[Splave]

throwing the 661 down today, should do 6.5, no more nonsense

[HITandRUN]

Hey H&R, check out the submission page there. For gits and shiggles, Splig and I posted the same scores....both 6.766s...his with a 655 and mine with the 670. My back-up at this point is a 6.656s. That's the best I could muster out of the Max3Formula this weekend. Gonna keep after it till its done.

Yeah I saw it! I was like WTF? I was abusing the good old E8700 before my mobo and the CPUs roll in today! I got a 655K (new) and a 670 (used but untested) coming my way! I'll have to learn quick as this is the first time I'll play with P55 :thumbsup: I hope one of these chips will be a winner.

throwing the 661 down today, should do 6.5, no more nonsense


Dude I didnt realized that the comp is over already on Thursday. The entire time I had September 5th in my mind. :Dizzy: :ohcrap:

[Splave]

I know man lol! its all good we can still get together sometime


Had some condensation issues 6.4ghz would fail at 11th iteration. Testing last 655k tonight than going back to the others with more volts.

[Hondacity]

had 8-10 remounts....

5 cpus...

2 mobos...

zero condensation but mobo isn't cooperating...

12hrs worth of benching...

zero os problems...

coldbug problems...cbb wasn't a problem...

no sub7....sad

[HITandRUN]

I think 6.895 is the time to beat right now. :ohcrap:

[Kal-EL]

Mobo is good till 2.03 volts so far.

[FACE]

I am missing something here... where is the submissions page at? Linky?

[Kal-EL]

http://www.asusrog.com/forums/showthread.php?354-ROG-Experience-Tour-Round-1-(ROG-Motherboard-Submission-ONLY)

http://www.asusrog.com/forums/showthread.php?357-ROG-Experience-Tour-Round-1-(ASUS-Motherboard-Submission-ONLY)

[Hondacity]

romdominance

i can bench 6.3ghz but my results are 7seconds....

my qpi is slightly higher, ram multi the same.... 6-6-6 subtimings..

largesystemcache is enabled....

i'm using benchzoners xp...

i will try chuch's xp...

one thing i noticed is sata is ide...if ahci...i can't boot.......

[Kal-EL]

romdominance

i can bench 6.3ghz but my results are 7seconds....

my qpi is slightly higher, ram multi the same.... 6-6-6 subtimings..

largesystemcache is enabled....

i'm using benchzoners xp...

i will try chuch's xp...

one thing i noticed is sata is ide...if ahci...i can't boot.......
Wierd Honda, @ 6.3ghz it should be an easy slide into sub 7 territory. Are you using an SSD or something? sp1M runs much slower on SSD's. Those timings are sick too man at 666.

Did you install the OS with both sticks installed or just one?

[HITandRUN]

Are you using an SSD or something? sp1M runs much slower on SSD's.

SAY WHAT? Im on SSDs. How come i never heard of that before? :blink: :eek:

[Kal-EL]

SAY WHAT? Im on SSDs. How come i never heard of that before? :blink: :eek:

Cuz I just found that out today, I switched out my Intel Super Fast $800 SSD for a Velociraptor and went from a best 12.391s 1m time to a 11.875s 1M time. Same stock tweaked settings. Co-incidence? I think not.

Also, I couldnt do any pcie mhz past 110mhz with the SSD, I can now do up to 118mhz on the pci-e with the velociraptor. My efficiency went way up.

Any other theories why the big difference?

[sofos1990]

Kal-EL is right :D

SSDs are slower for 2Ds . Better run 1M and 32M on raptors :D

[GFDuke]

Kal.. did you disable Disk Indexing on your ssd? Or should i say what tweaks did you do to your ssd? Page file, LSC, etc. I'm interested in this theory and i want to dig a little deeper into it.

[Kal-EL]

I didn't mess with disk indexing, I did LSC and without, page file on ssd as well. Its pretty much before/after results with exact same settings.

Tried all the usual stuff, batt, power, stick, re-mount, holy water, salt over shoulder.

[Kal-EL]

Any clues on how to get past a cmos error?

[HITandRUN]

Cuz I just found that out today, I switched out my Intel Super Fast $800 SSD for a Velociraptor and went from a best 12.391s 1m time to a 11.875s 1M time. Same stock tweaked settings. Co-incidence? I think not.

Also, I couldnt do any pcie mhz past 110mhz with the SSD, I can now do up to 118mhz on the pci-e with the velociraptor. My efficiency went way up.

Any other theories why the big difference?

Hum I guess I'll give the old Raptor a try again! Thank you for the heads up! :thumbsup:

[Splave]

this is very strange, rom and I are using ssd's for 6.6's in the 6.3ghz area?
Im on vertex1 30gb, rev09 XP no maxmem no lsc, only theme cycling.

[Hondacity]

ok will try the stuff recommended...i'll have time to buy another 25liters later....

thanks everybody

[RomDominance]

this is very strange, rom and I are using ssd's for 6.6's in the 6.3ghz area?
Im on vertex1 30gb, rev09 XP no maxmem no lsc, only theme cycling.
Actually doods, I am on a 150gb Vrap with a 30gb partition. I didn't use any tweaks except cycling tho. Single channel ram raises my speed, but lowers my score....same as priority and affinity tweaks. gl

[Splave]

why did I think you were on a vertex2 ?

[RomDominance]

I only have one 60gb V2, but that has my main 32bit win7 install on it for benchin.
I like using a conventional drive for xp benchin, less chance of corruption after a bazillion blue screens.

[Splave]

boot takes 5 seconds though which is nice ;)

[Hondacity]

ok harddrive..question

under sata configuration..you guys use ide or ahcp(ahci) ????...its not raid...though you have 3 options...just wanting to make sure of that...

[Kal-EL]

This is the best I could muster up under current unforgiving circumstances:
i5 655k @ 6271mhz
SuperPI1M time: 6.672s
http://www.overclockaholics.com/Kal/Contests/Asus_2010_Quakecon/6_672s.JPG

[Splave]

ok harddrive..question

under sata configuration..you guys use ide or ahcp(ahci) ????...its not raid...though you have 3 options...just wanting to make sure of that...

I leave it ide

nice job kal :) edged me out, you going to try for more or is that the one.

[Kal-EL]

I leave it ide

nice job kal :) edged me out, you going to try for more or is that the one.

Thats it for that chip I believe with a 75% certainty that chip is played out for 1M. I have a 660 and 670 yet to toy with.

660 is up to bat.

[HITandRUN]

I leave it ide

nice job kal :) edged me out, you going to try for more or is that the one.

He He! Hey Kal if you win this thing you will need to get your ass of the island! :D ;)

[Kal-EL]

He He! Hey Kal if you win this thing you will need to get your ass of the island! :D ;)

We'll see how it goes, I don't count me chicks before I snatch um ;)
I believe the winning score will be closer to 6.4s thru 6.5s unless Andre lets someone borrow his 980x.

[FACE]

All I read out of that was "chicks" and "snatch." :blink:

[Splave]

kal did you explore the higher multis at all? what kinda volts you pumpin in

[Hondacity]

nice work kal!!!

i could run higher speeds than that LOL but damn eff is so off....

thanks for the ide....i'll stick with that then...

more work...drivin..cruisin 64mph

[HITandRUN]

Waiting for the UPS dude and still abusing the E8700! :D

[Kal-EL]

kal did you explore the higher multis at all? what kinda volts you pumpin in

tried 27, 28, 29, 31 at conventional standards, then got sick of the shit and went 2.1volts on the chip.

[Splave]

haha awesome, did you use display drivers and or chipset?

[Kal-EL]

both

[Patch]

tried 27, 28, 29, 31 at conventional standards, then got sick of the shit and went 2.1volts on the chip.

A man after my own heart. That's my kind of overclocking.

[Kal-EL]

A man after my own heart. That's my kind of overclocking.

:good:

Heres all my non-sensical noob overclocking:
2721

2722

2723

2724

2725

2726

2727

2728

2729

2730

2731

2732

2733

[FACE]

Brute force voltage clocking is the only way to fly....

....kinda gives it that adrenaline rush effect without having to jump off anything.

[HITandRUN]

Let the games begin! We have a 980x with a 6.5 on the clock over at XS. :ohcrap:

[Splave]

he edged me out lol my best so far
Still room to play, more qpi and ram speed. I tested ram at 2000 7-8-7 and it passed at 198 so I should be able to cut a tenth I believe.

[Kal-EL]

LOL, you'll get the lucky chip one day Splave :scared:

[HITandRUN]

We'll need a 670 at 6.7 to get to the point here! :ohcrap:

[Splave]

nah I think 6.400s should be doable 6.45 with good qpi and ram speed.

[HITandRUN]

nah I think 6.400s should be doable 6.45 with good qpi and ram speed.

I hope you are right! Im sure he is not done yet with this thing. Watch his clock at the end will be like 6.6 on that 980X. I wonder how much is actually retail on that CPU? :ohcrap:

[Hondacity]

brianY is like andreY..unlimited hardware.... benching in 30minutes...

[HITandRUN]

brianY is like andreY..unlimited hardware.... benching in 30minutes...

Honda how is your fight going? Any 6.5?

[Splave]

well mates, if I can match kal's efficency with 200mhz higher speed (6.4ghz like what im at) I should be able to beat his current score im sure he has backups though, why wouldnt he ya know

Woke up super early to fill the dewar back up, going to ravage my first 655k again tonight (the chip that got my first score) with my new knowledge of what the 655k's like. PM or text me if you want to know.

Time to bust some nuts man, its go time and i love it :)


I can always lean on this one some more if the first chip is maxed
http://overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2735&d=1280892723

[HITandRUN]

well mates, if I can match kal's efficency with 200mhz higher speed (6.4ghz like what im at) I should be able to beat his current score im sure he has backups though, why wouldnt he ya know

Woke up super early to fill the dewar back up, going to ravage my first 655k again tonight (the chip that got my first score) with my new knowledge of what the 655k's like. PM or text me if you want to know.

Time to bust some nuts man, its go time and i love it :)


I can always lean on this one some more if the first chip is maxed
http://overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2735&d=1280892723

Yeah mate text me when you get out of work. I took the day off so benching will be on all night. Currently prep-mode and BigMeanRedMachine time to get the fill for it. :D We can get it done if we collaborate! :D

[Kal-EL]

I layed down on the couch for a 5 minute power nap last night and was rudely awoken by Sunshine? WTF :Dizzy:

Cranking out a 660 now.........

[Splave]

crank it focker! :)

[Chuchnit]

Hey guys I know I'm not around much but I see what you are doing ;) Keep up the good work representing our team, and good luck winning the contest. I know one of you guys can do it :) Hopefully it is Kal since that fooker never gets to play in contest.

[HITandRUN]

crank it focker! :)

YEAH! Win install here and than we will see if she will go with a FULL pot! :D ;)

[Hondacity]

Honda how is your fight going? Any 6.5?

no 6.5ghz bench...

just did 680 bench...bad mount imo...

..

condensation..after remount...occurred for 1minute

evaporated in 5minutes..board is ready for bench again...i'm sorta tired..bummer

[Patch]

Tired is when the benching is best.

At least I think it is. Never tried it well rested before.

[Hondacity]

i pre benched earlier...the 680 can do 245bclk..

but single core...cold bugs..dual core doesn't cold bug....some notes...

my last hope now is the lone 670.... i got the efficiency a little higher.....

bench time 7pm...

[Splave]

eating some dinner than rocking out 655k win or die tryin

[DOM]

GL GUYS wish i could play :(

need to sell the kids lol

[Splave]

thanks dom :)



Best I got is 6.547s 2nd atm really hope it holds :thumbsup:


Appreciate all the support guys, i love my team :D

[DOM]

NP ;)

im already in the 5ghz club next is 6ghz i hope by next yr ill get in it

[HITandRUN]

thanks dom :)



Best I got is 6.547s 2nd atm really hope it holds :thumbsup:


Appreciate all the support guys, i love my team :D

GO GO! Im in a fight with this thing. CBB at -95C and CB at -115C but moving as you change the voltage. no SPI yet over 6G since its not worth posting. Went up to 6.450 for CPUz but crashed. Also my chip dont like high BLCK. got the multi at 38 right now. :blush:


EDIT: I guess I call it a night for today! The board looks like a waterfall and I'm drying it off more than benching. She is hung out to dry and we'll give it a whack in the morning again. Here is a CPUZ I got along the way.

[Hondacity]

6.922seconds 224x28 6.27ghz 666 qpi 4xxx

bad efficiency ..weird ..prolly bios has hiccups...

[Kal-EL]

6.875s on 670 @ 240x26 6240mhz 1.75vCore

Next up.......................................Dead 670, WaaAAAaaaAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHh! :P

Time to pop the 655k back in and kill that too for good posture ;)

[Kal-EL]

You almost made it Henry! on the cusp of a revolution :thumbsup:
Freekin condensation issues :thumbdown:

[Chuchnit]

Man so many of you guys tearing it up. Just amazing. Hope one of you guys pull it off tonight.What is the official "end time" for this today?

[ReverendMaynard]

you guys are relentless sonsofbitches.....and I love it :)

RESPECT!

[RomDominance]

Thanks John and Rev! End time is noon pst,...about 6 hours from now.

[FACE]

Looking good, guys.... well, from what I can tell. I do wish they would kinda try to keep an updated standings list in the op.... oh well, when I get time today I will scour through the subs. :thumbsup:

Anyone who is keeping tabs on who's placing where, feel free to post up what you have. :D Me = lazy reader.

[Splave]

so far

BrianY 6.532
splave 6.547
Romdom 6.656
Kal 6.672

Strong showing by OCA :)

[Chuchnit]

so far

BrianY 6.532
splave 6.547
Romdom 6.656
Kal 6.672

Strong showing by OCA :)


Strong indeed. You guys rock!! :D

[Witchdoctor]

Smoke um guys ....

Awsome stuff ............ :thumbsup:

[Splave]

honda and henry are hitting it too, 5 guys on 1 team = epic imo

[FACE]

Nice going dooders... I'm pulling for you guys.... wishing for that magical pair of 6.4XXs scores to send things over the top. :blink:

[HITandRUN]

Back on the horse! She is dry and ready to go and I know what she wants by now! PST time running on a the screen so I dont miss the cut off! :D :thumbsup:

http://i37.tinypic.com/z994m.jpg

[Splave]

rip it henry!@$!

[V2-V3]

Cuz I just found that out today, I switched out my Intel Super Fast $800 SSD for a Velociraptor and went from a best 12.391s 1m time to a 11.875s 1M time. Same stock tweaked settings. Co-incidence? I think not.

Also, I couldnt do any pcie mhz past 110mhz with the SSD, I can now do up to 118mhz on the pci-e with the velociraptor. My efficiency went way up.

Any other theories why the big difference?

WTF thats crazy!

Im going to IMG my SSD to the VRaptor and test this for myself :)


I am loving the force OCA is showing in this contest, Keep it up guys!!!!!!! :)

[HITandRUN]

rip it henry!@$!

Yeah this chip is just not good passed 6G mate! The problem is the CB. Cant go nearly as high as you guys! :thumbdown:

[Hondacity]

6.86

cbb -160
cb - infinity

ram @ 5-5-5

new bios....helped alot....

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c5/hondacity25/yy.png

[HITandRUN]

Nice score Honda! I cant even dip into the 6 sec.

[Hondacity]

what are your bios settings? also what bios? what board do you have? the m3f can rape my efficiency lmao

[Splave]

they just posted a 1901 bios if any of you guys have 45min :)

[Kal-EL]

shut up! just now?
wTf?
I don't see 1901 on the download server?/??????

[Hondacity]

lol

i think it was posted 2 days ago...

[Splave]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4496016&postcount=134

[Kal-EL]

Nice, been running 1801 this whole time and theres 10 minutes left in the ball game........

[Hondacity]

lol

11 viewers in the submission thread... maybe 11 more results?

[Splave]

I was 1 ;)

[Hondacity]

lol spam....woot 30seconds

[Hondacity]

nice you guys just won a bunch of intel 980x :D

grats

now off to work...

[HITandRUN]

Congratz! Looks like Splavster has his spot in the game! Im still pushing this chip but efficiency is terrible on this thing. :shock:

EDIT: I pushed it all the way to the end but just could not get a nice time out of the set up. However this chip is capable of 1st CPUz. I was close but it crashed so 3rd for now.

[69_Goat]

Here's some details about Quakecon.

http://www.asusrog.com/rog_experience%20round%201.html

Platforms are Rampage III Extreme and Crosshair IV Formula, GTX460 and GTX480.

[Patch]

Awesome guys!

[Splave]

GOAT nice job man, saw you scored the ASUS board part :) enjoy the prize bro!!

[HITandRUN]

GOAT nice job man, saw you scored the ASUS board part :) enjoy the prize bro!!

Congrats again. Did you see the post on XS? So who is going to be the lucky guy going with you Al? :thumbsup:

[RomDominance]

;););)

[69_Goat]

GOAT nice job man, saw you scored the ASUS board part :) enjoy the prize bro!!

Thanks. Yeah, I am real happy about winning the R3G board, I was sure someone would sneak in with a sub at the end.

Congrats to you !! :thumbsup:

Would have been really great for you guys to take both spots.

You got your flight booked? Quakecon is next weekend, I didn't realize it was so soon.

I just found out, I also won a kit of Kingston ram in the EVGA scavenger hunt.

[Kal-EL]

WTG Goat :D

[RomDominance]

Way to work it G 69. I would go and buy a lottery ticket tonite if I were you. Your on a streak buddy!

[69_Goat]

I've had a good couple of weeks.

On top of that stuff, I'm now sitting 2nd in Canada in hwbot ranking and ready to junp into the top 200 in the world.

Also picked up a couple Vantage hw cups.
Gold for 2x 4870X2's and Bronze for 3x 5870's.

Only down side is the P55 Classy died and might have taken the 670 with it.
I had it set up with an air cooler @ stock speed, and I smelled something getting hot. Shut down and checked it over, but couldn't see anything and when I tried to boot, all I got was the fans spinning up, shutting down, and repeating.

I gotta quit running @ stock speeds. It kills HW! :ohcrap:

[ocgmj]

Outstanding work guys!

[Kal-EL]

My Canadian friend is on the precipice of canandian GREATNESS!!!!!!!!
:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

[Patch]

Nice job Goat!

Our northern brethren are chargin through the ranks.

[thebanik]

Amazing work splave and goat, congrats....

[FACE]

Excellent work from all who submitted... that was compo madness!

[Splave]

im taking romdom, only for the hotel discount ;)

kal you best come too. I'll keep the bed warm for ya hahah

[DOM]

aww crap i thought it was just ROG MB i would of tryed on my Asus MB :P

GOOD JOB GUYS :thumbsup:

[HITandRUN]

im taking romdom, only for the hotel discount ;)

kal you best come too. I'll keep the bed warm for ya hahah

Sweet! Have fun guys and bring some goodies home. Btw: I get hotel discounts everywhere as well! ;) :D

[Hondacity]

anybody near dallas better get to quakecon...

asus has lots of freebies... gtx480s and some....

[Kal-EL]

Make sure you and Rom hang the ROG connect cable on the doornob so I know not to disturb you two ;)

P.S. I think Rom's a lil jealous of you and BrianY's ongoing bromance

[Splave]

Plenty of love to go around my friend

[Neuromancer]

Congrats on the wins everyone.