RAM market.....

[Chuchnit]

Why is the memory market so crappy lately? Tri-channel kits are scarce. Good ones are even worse. There is only one IC that's worth buying, but it cost waaay more than "regular" IC's. The selections out there suck, the timings suck, and the prices suck the most. :thumbdown: Something seems screwed up here.

I remember when I got in the overclocking game buying things like memory was fun. There was a big supply of manufacturers and kits. You could search the forums and find a relatively cheap kit with good IC's; if you order quick enough to get in on that batch. When I had the REX, drnip located some good clocking D9JNL IC's on generic crucial $25 sticks. They clocked like mad till I degraded them.

Now it seems like you got crappy (for benching) PSC, micron, BBSE IC's with all manufacturer. Plus they are still crazy expensive. The other option is well..... Corsair with their ass fisting prices for guaranteed IC's. OCZ, Kingston, and Gskill gave up on selling Elpida Hyper ram, and Mushkin is releasing very very small quanities of them when they are in stock.


Am I just a total sour puss or do you guys feel the same way about the memory market? We got new mobo's, VGA's, PSU's and at the same time less and less good memory to buy.

[punx223]

yes the ram market is stupid expensive, and the only modules that clock well at good timings cost more for one stick than a full kit of another :thumbdown:

But I did save a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to GEICO :laughing:



**DISCLAIMER** I did not and have not purchased auto insurance through GEICO, I in no way can claim weather or not you will save money on auto insurance, and I would not believe that australian batard of a gecko either.... i think they pay him to say it.

[Chuchnit]

yes the ram market is stupid expensive, and the only modules that clock well at good timings cost more for one stick than a full kit of another :thumbdown:

But I did save a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to GEICO :laughing:



**DISCLAIMER** I did not and have not purchased auto insurance through GEICO, I in no way can claim weather or not you will save money on auto insurance, and I would not believe that australian batard of a gecko either.... i think they pay him to say it.

:laughing::laughing: You crack me up man. I remember when DDR2 D9's were "obsolete" you managed to get lucky with a kick ass set of Patriot with D9 that just clocked to retarded speeds. That doesn't happen any more.

[ocgmj]

I am just a total sour puss

:taunt:

[punx223]

:laughing::laughing: You crack me up man. I remember when DDR2 D9's were "obsolete" you managed to get lucky with a kick ass set of Patriot with D9 that just clocked to retarded speeds. That doesn't happen any more.

i still have 2 sets of those somewhere....

[Gutterz]

Geico has always quoted me higher than anyone else....

An yes the Ram market blows, Ive been using Supertalent for a while their prices are fair an always clocked better than say xms2's an 3's

[Hondacity]

PSC(Powerchip SemiConductors) ..... expects 30-40% growth ddr 3rd/4thQ of 09 ======true most of the ddr3 now is PSC cheapt stuff read http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20091127PD204.html

Samsung ....Just got their ddr3 40nm tech upto speed...released april 14, 2010. http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/newsView.do?news_id=1144
already released at their website....its latency is awful. do not buy.

Elpida......they're growing :D http://www.elpida.com/en/news/2009/12-22.html expensive though...
more stuff http://www.elpida.com/en/news/2009/11-19m.html

Hynix 40nm DDr3 also available..dunno who uses them http://www.hynix.com/gl/pr_room/news_data_readB.jsp?NEWS_DATE=2009-12-21:08:33:30&CurrentPageNo=1&SearchKind=4&SearchWord=&SELECT_DATE=&menuNo=02&m=01&s=01

[Chuchnit]

PSC(Powerchip SemiConductors) ..... expects 30-40% growth ddr 3rd/4thQ of 09 ======true most of the ddr3 now is PSC cheapt stuff read http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20091127PD204.html

Samsung ....Just got their ddr3 40nm tech upto speed...released april 14, 2010. http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/newsView.do?news_id=1144
already released at their website....its latency is awful. do not buy.

Elpida......they're growing :D http://www.elpida.com/en/news/2009/12-22.html expensive though...
more stuff http://www.elpida.com/en/news/2009/11-19m.html

Hynix 40nm DDr3 also available..dunno who uses them http://www.hynix.com/gl/pr_room/news_data_readB.jsp?NEWS_DATE=2009-12-21:08:33:30&CurrentPageNo=1&SearchKind=4&SearchWord=&SELECT_DATE=&menuNo=02&m=01&s=01

You trying to say it gonna get better soon or suck for a long time? :Dizzy: Where is micron with their new variant of D9 that kicks ass?

[punx223]

You trying to say it gonna get better soon or suck for a long time? :Dizzy: Where is micron with their new variant of D9 that kicks ass?

i think Elpida kinda trounced micron on this one, and Micron is trying to gain foothold at this point.

[Hondacity]

i forgot to add micron

they'll be ramping up 2nd quarter this year.....42nm tech

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memory/display/20100208124847_Micron_and_Nanya_to_Start_Making_DD R3_Using_42nm_Process_Technology.html

[Chuchnit]

i think Elpida kinda trounced micron on this one, and Micron is trying to gain foothold at this point.

Yah they were for sure caught off guard with the Hyper IC's. I think they really thought they were still gonna own i7 with s775 era IC's.

[Hondacity]

this will be ddr3 year.....i will sell my ddr2 and will be only running ddr3

samsung will raise ddr3 prices..http://news.softpedia.com/news/Samsung-Wants-To-Raise-DDR3-Prices-Upsets-PC-Makers-142119.shtml samsung eat your korean kimchi...

for my last input to this thread....

MiCRON has a new product.....

http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=224701053&pgno=1

hopefully it comes out soon...so we'll have a taste of it.....

[Chuchnit]

this will be ddr3 year.....i will sell my ddr2 and will be only running ddr3

samsung will raise ddr3 prices..http://news.softpedia.com/news/Samsung-Wants-To-Raise-DDR3-Prices-Upsets-PC-Makers-142119.shtml samsung eat your korean kimchi...

for my last input to this thread....

MiCRON has a new product.....

http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=224701053&pgno=1

hopefully it comes out soon...so we'll have a taste of it.....

I wanna see your favorites folder on your browser. :ohcrap: How many sites to you keep track of during a week. :shock:


So one article says prices are being artificially being fixed and companies are having process issues much like TSMC. The other article says that the stupid server market is buying all of our memory and causing shortages. Damnit OCGMJ, quit upgrading the servers to DDR3 already. :laughing:

[Patch]

I've wasted a small fortune over the last 6 months chasing quality RAM.

Mushkin, Cellshock, G-skill, Supertalent, Kingston flavors of crap, ho-hum, and just OK.

Finally broke down and paid $400 for some Dom GT's. Now I'm happy. But my wallet still won't talk to me.

[DrNip]

This is what I was saying the other day. No new RAM coming out or at least for the triple channel peeps out there and prices have sky rocketed too it seems every since that Elpida problem.

Those budget Crucial's were the shat weren't they. $25 too!

[Chuchnit]

This is what I was saying the other day. No new RAM coming out or at least for the triple channel peeps out there and prices have sky rocketed too it seems every since that Elpida problem.

Those budget Crucial's were the shat weren't they. $25 too!

Yes they were. :good:

[MaadDaawg]

Sorry guys... no sympathy here :eek:

When I first started building rigs ram was going for somewhere in the neighborhood of $90 for 1MB SIMMs. that was for 120 nanosecond, if you wanted the good stuff - the 80 nanosecond, the cost went up to about $130 per 1MB SIMM.

Extrapolate that out now to DDR3 or 5 and what we're paying for memory is dirt cheap :D

20MB HDD - $400.

I could go on and on.... but I won't ;)

[Chuchnit]

I've wasted a small fortune over the last 6 months chasing quality RAM.

Mushkin, Cellshock, G-skill, Supertalent, Kingston flavors of crap, ho-hum, and just OK.

Finally broke down and paid $400 for some Dom GT's. Now I'm happy. But my wallet still won't talk to me.


Edit: Sorry for the poor sense of humor. Sometimes I forget that Marine humor doesn't always work in the real world. Honestly I can't afford the top of the line Corsair's. Plus I think the premium is rediculous for the name. Good memory, crappy price.

Sorry guys... no sympathy here :eek:

When I first started building rigs ram was going for somewhere in the neighborhood of $90 for 1MB SIMMs. that was for 120 nanosecond, if you wanted the good stuff - the 80 nanosecond, the cost went up to about $130 per 1MB SIMM.

Extrapolate that out now to DDR3 or 5 and what we're paying for memory is dirt cheap :D

20MB HDD - $400.

I could go on and on.... but I won't ;)


That is crazy expensive, but neither here nor there. I thank and feel sorry for you pioneers of the PC market. Shit was truly outrageous back then. :eek:

[Chuchnit]

Sorry guys, I fixed my post above. Guess that humor was a little too much. :blush:

[Splave]

I think ram companies are just starting to realize we are paying for 1.2k chips, 550 for graphics, 300 for psus and now mobos are hitting 700? They want more money now too!

I paid $600 for 3x2 cmgtx2, they are now $750 and out of stock. :shock: They were worth every penny. In aq3, sp32m, pf and 05 they are totally worth it :D

It was nice buying ddr2-667 cas 5 ballistix with d9 and clocking to 1200+ though, you are totally right

[Chuchnit]

I think ram companies are just starting to realize we are paying for 1.2k chips, 550 for graphics, 300 for psus and now mobos are hitting 700? They want more money now too!

I paid $600 for 3x2 cmgtx2, they are now $750 and out of stock. :shock: They were worth every penny. In aq3, sp32m, pf and 05 they are totally worth it :D

It was nice buying ddr2-667 cas 5 ballistix with d9 and clocking to 1200+ though, you are totally right

Man get out of here with your fancy ram clocking. :D YOU are the reason I wanna buy a kit. I wanna catch your efficiency. ;)

Yah the days of buying super clocking budget kits are gone I'm afraid. Companies have caught on.

[ReverendMaynard]

you have the ram in your avy chuch? I roll that shit and it clocks like stink!

[Chuchnit]

you have the ram in your avy chuch? I roll that shit and it clocks like stink!

No. I would like to have a set of the 2000mhz 8-8-7 though. Drnip has had great luck with his. What kit do you have?

[FACE]

No. I would like to have a set of the 2000mhz 8-8-7 though. Drnip has had great luck with his. What kit do you have?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226121

I bet these will do 2000mhz 8-8-7. ;)

[Hondacity]

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=WB200UX6G8&title=Super-Talent-Chrome-Series-DDR3-2000-6GB-3x2GB-CL8-Triple-Channel-Memory-Kit

[Chuchnit]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226121

I bet these will do 2000mhz 8-8-7. ;)

I think those are PSC IC's now. :( If not they are BBSE.

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=WB200UX6G8&title=Super-Talent-Chrome-Series-DDR3-2000-6GB-3x2GB-CL8-Triple-Channel-Memory-Kit

Looks like I'll have to try those out. I was hoping to get the other ones +2GB if I go that route. :)

[Hondacity]

why not the 2200cl8? its 99$/2gb

[Chuchnit]

why not the 2200cl8? its 99$/2gb

That's the "other ones" ;) Aren't those the ones Gutterz bought?

[punx223]

i just bought a set of DOM GT's 2000 7-8-7-20 :) :thumbsup:

[Chuchnit]

i just bought a set of DOM GT's 2000 7-8-7-20 :) :thumbsup:

Looks like you shoulda bought two sets with what you've been benching. :ohcrap::shock: Does this mean you are gonna pass me in boints at the bot? :blush:

[ReverendMaynard]

No. I would like to have a set of the 2000mhz 8-8-7 though. Drnip has had great luck with his. What kit do you have?

I have the 1600mhz 6-7-6-18 Ascents. BBSE, do 2000 CAS7 all day long at 1.74v. Will do 1900mhz at 6-8-6-24 1.65v as well. Very versatile sticks but they were pretty expensive when I bought them so I'm glad they do what they do.

[punx223]

Looks like you shoulda bought two sets with what you've been benching. :ohcrap::shock: Does this mean you are gonna pass me in boints at the bot? :blush:

building up a hardware stockpile first sir :morpheus:

[Chuchnit]

I have the 1600mhz 6-7-6-18 Ascents. BBSE, do 2000 CAS7 all day long at 1.74v. Will do 1900mhz at 6-8-6-24 1.65v as well. Very versatile sticks but they were pretty expensive when I bought them so I'm glad they do what they do.

That's pretty good for BBSE. Did you buy them when they first came out?

building up a hardware stockpile first sir :morpheus:

I'm just glad to see you back in the game. :thumbsup:

[ReverendMaynard]

That's pretty good for BBSE. Did you buy them when they first came out?


The day they were available. Mine clock quite a bit better than 30h6's review set over at hardwarecanucks and I'm a bit of a mem nab lol.

[Chuchnit]

The day they were available. Mine clock quite a bit better than 30h6's review set over at hardwarecanucks and I'm a bit of a mem nab lol.

Don't discount your skillz homie. :)

[DrNip]

All this talk makes me want to fire up some 2d benching. Wish I had time. :(

[ReverendMaynard]

thanks homie, but I really do need to work on that aspect a bit more :) Constant learning, reason why I love this damn sport lol.

[Splave]

All this talk makes me want to fire up some 2d benching. Wish I had time. :(

is there any other type of benching? :eek: :thumbsup:

[DrNip]

No. I haven't done any since Sept - Oct last year!!!

[Hondacity]

I have the 1600mhz 6-7-6-18 Ascents. BBSE, do 2000 CAS7 all day long at 1.74v. Will do 1900mhz at 6-8-6-24 1.65v as well. Very versatile sticks but they were pretty expensive when I bought them so I'm glad they do what they do.

2000 cas7 at what trcd?

[Chuchnit]

is there any other type of benching? :eek: :thumbsup:

Yes there is this other type of benching. It's just not that important when you are killing pifast at 6300mhz. :laughing:

[Splave]

rofl thanks! :thumbsup: my 3d is week as shit