Lightning Strikes

[Witchdoctor]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127482&cm_re=5870-_-14-127-482-_-Product

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dys_oTeguVw

[Splave]

hey-oh thanks for the text OCGMJ, good looking out witchie

[Kal-EL]

Show of hands, who's pulling the trigger on this 500 buck monster?

[Witchdoctor]

Wish I could swing it just got rid of my 5870 so I could grab a 4870 and a 260/216

Holding out for the 480 ......

[DrNip]

:thumbdown: Wish I could though. It will be sold out soon.

[ocgmj]

I'm in for one... Now have 3 - 5870's :ohcrap:

[Hondacity]

i'm concentrating on 2d..at the moment if all is well for my 2d..my 3d scores will follow...this looks delicious :D i'm also awaiting gtx480 results

nice find :D

[Buckeye]

GPU's are just costing to much :(

[Chuchnit]

GPU's are just costing to much :(

GPU's are for sure what makes it hard to be a bencher. But damnit I still love when tech comes out whether I can get it or not :clapping:

[RomDominance]

The Empire has this new weapon en route...the bot system shall once again suffer our wrath!

[HITandRUN]

GPU's are just costing to much :(

Tell me about it! I'm waiting for the 480 I think! :shock:

[RomDominance]

The only thing disturbing bout that is if fermi is like all of the recent 55nm green stuff, it won't oc for shit, ie no voltage control. The lightning is built for LN2:muaha:

[Witchdoctor]

o yea brother ..... I hope to pick one up second hand in a few months to play with.

Just can't take a half a K hit right now.

Thinking 5890's will hit the streets about a month after the 480's ???

I would like to be a fly on the wall in the AMD conference room to see how they play their hand

[Dentlord]

Show of hands, who's pulling the trigger on this 500 buck monster?

Already on its way :thumbsup:

[Witchdoctor]

SIck Dent .... can't wait to see how it preforms ....

I agree with Rom .... just made for the cold ...

[DrNip]

Man I'm jealous. Make sure to post up some screenies as well as pics of the card for us po-folk.

[Gunslinger]

Show of hands, who's pulling the trigger on this 500 buck monster?

:wt:

[Jor-El]

Recent Order Status (view all)



3/11/2010
PO # MSI Lightning
(https://secure.newegg.com/NewMyAccount/OrderDetail.aspx?SONumber=96322102)
Shipped
$459.14

Gift card :thumbsup:

[Hondacity]

good deal jor

[Kal-EL]

Recent Order Status (view all)



3/11/2010
PO # MSI Lightning
(https://secure.newegg.com/NewMyAccount/OrderDetail.aspx?SONumber=96322102)
Shipped
$459.14
Gift card :thumbsup:

Be sure to post up max air clocks when it arrives, I'm very curious about the allure to gaymers. If its not attractive, the prices will come down later.

[lakeside2189]

I got one...i wanted to wait on the matrix but just couldn't stand it....Plus i need a lift

I thought the ones they were showing and testing were 2gb???

[Jor-El]

Be sure to post up max air clocks when it arrives, I'm very curious about the allure to gaymers. If its not attractive, the prices will come down later.

Yeap I will try to max this out on air first, if it struggles to pass my ordinary $370 Asus HD5870 around 1100/1300 on air it will be a POS.

[Gutterz]

Yeap I will try to max this out on air first, if it struggles to pass my ordinary $370 Asus HD5870 around 1100/1300 on air it will be a POS.


An thats what I want to know.

[Chuchnit]

Yeap I will try to max this out on air first, if it struggles to pass my ordinary $370 Asus HD5870 around 1100/1300 on air it will be a POS.

Are VGA's like CPU's though. Shitty clocks on air can mean HUGE clocks sub zero?

[Hondacity]

if its pos sell it to us jor :D hahahaha

[Jor-El]

if its pos sell it to us jor :D hahahaha

You dirty little @&%$@#^%@$^%@$^%@$ :D

[Gunslinger]

Uh oh, Lightning strikes twice :D

[Gutterz]

HWBOT

http://www.astrosurf.com/luxorion/Radio/lightning.jpg

[Splave]

should be here tomorrow :) woot no ln2 till monday though (insert sad face)

[Jor-El]

should be here tomorrow :) woot no ln2 till monday though (insert sad face)

Not sad face man, think about all the time you would be waisting on the vidcard ln2 prep you will be spending with GF :thumbsup:

[Splave]

I will make her prep it and play COD MW2 ftw? jk jk
Its her b-day tomorrow so yeah wouldnt have much time anyways good call Jor :)

[Kal-EL]

HWBOT

http://www.astrosurf.com/luxorion/Radio/lightning.jpg
Thats pretty epic! :blink:

[GFDuke]

On its way!!! Wooot!!!

[Splave]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/R5870_HD_5870_Lightning/4.html

epic heatsink plate :) perfect for strapping the pot on.

[Hondacity]

do you guys know if this card has a coldbug?

[Dentlord]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/R5870_HD_5870_Lightning/4.html

epic heatsink plate :) perfect for strapping the pot on.

Did you look at the "overclocking" page of that review ... pretty crappy results.
I hope they really come alive under cold.

[GFDuke]

If it OC's like crap it'll go back.

[DrNip]

I don't plug into any of these reviews these review sites post. They are crap!!! Sure they cover the basics of the card good but usually never cover the overclocking aspect well. Only reviews I plug into are results from members of forums.

[Witchdoctor]

wow ........... I want one ...................... :shock:

[ReverendMaynard]

I don't plug into any of these reviews these review sites post. They are crap!!! Sure they cover the basics of the card good but usually never cover the overclocking aspect well. Only reviews I plug into are results from members of forums.

I particularly hate techpowerup. They list a con on all Ati card reviews as "No CUDA/Physx. No shit, they're nV licensed functions lol.

[Splave]

yeah and shame on ati for having dx11 wtf is that?

my vapor-X both did 1000/1300 1.18v air
ASUS did 1100/1300 @ 1.38v air

For reference sake.

[Hondacity]

fugger and mike guava had good results with gb 5780 soc ....... i wonder if gb has better binning....sorry off topic..

[Splave]

you mean gauntlet sorting? lol Im not sure, im hoping a card designed like the lightning beats a card that just have binned chips but who knows.

[Hondacity]

they got the highest score in vantage....with a crappy 40nm cpu... but right now the battle is in the 2d race :D sorry uber topic derailment but i'm just chiming in some info almost related to it

[Gunslinger]

The last 260 Giga SOC I had would not work with voltage software, and was a bastard to hardmod. I have not heard if the 5 series is compatible with software yet.

[ocgmj]

My lightning has arrived! :D

[Gutterz]

I waited to long. decided to sleep on it an when i woke up they were out. Now the expected date is the 23 wtf.

Dont forget about the MSI/AMD contest ends soon http://www.futuremark.com/community/competitions/msilightning/?fm

You think since they got this contest going on they would have been able to get it to the public quicker an have enough supply. I wait till the 23 might as well wait for fermi but how long will it take to get to etailers.

[GFDuke]

My lightning has arrived! :D

Rock it bro. Mod time again?

[Splave]

hopefully no need!
mine came too, card is a tank and cooler is pretty damn hefty!

[Jor-El]

Confirmed what everyone might know already.

Card on air is a POS, I had better OC's with my $370 Asus HD5870. It maxed out around 1000/1250 1.30vgpu 22oC air temp on Vantage.

Only way to make this card shine is LN2 me thinks, not even DICE will 'arouse' her... :good:

[Splave]

Confirmed what everyone might know already.

Card on air is a POS, I had better OC's with my $370 Asus HD5870. It maxed out around 1000/1250 1.30vgpu 22oC air temp on Vantage.

Only way to make this card shine is LN2 me thinks, not even DICE will 'arouse' her... :good:

Mine is the opposite! :ohcrap:

1000/1200 first try stock volts 1.1v :cool3: Very sick

[Jor-El]

Mine is the opposite! :ohcrap:

1000/1200 first try stock volts 1.1v :cool3: Very sick

Nice man see if it scales past 1000/1300. That's where my problems kicked in.

1100/1350 seamed impossible on air for me. My Asus was breezing thru that.

I also believe I received a crappy sample: the box was opened, card was opened and used (fingerprints and vga connector scratches , plus one fan not working with a disconnected cable).

So I bought a new and received an open box from the Egg :thumbdown:

[Witchdoctor]

Send it back bro.... that is unaceptable IMO

[ocgmj]

I was able to run 1100/1250 on air. Which I'm able to do with any other 5870 but on this card is indeed meant for LN2 pwnage.

[Hondacity]

how do you test your card Jor?

[Splave]

1000/1250 stock still

[Jor-El]

I was able to run 1100/1250 on air. Which I'm able to do with any other 5870 but on this card is indeed meant for LN2 pwnage.

Exactly, same with my sample, these are meant for LN2.

how do you test your card Jor?

No real mystery here Honda, I use MSI Kombustor and Vantage. Small increments on core and mem speeds till card starts giving me GSOD or artifacts, followed by small bumps on stock volts when needed.

1000/1250 stock still

Same results with my sample: 1000/1250 stock volts but as soon as the core passes 1100 and mem 1300 :poop: so I guess I can stick with my Asus or will have to get the new fattyboy around the corner :thumbsup:

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[Splave]

should be frost tomorrow :)

[Jor-El]

should be frost tomorrow :)

Ahhhh can't wait for results Splave convince me I should keep it :)

[Splave]

haha 1400 core or bust, Just finished erasing it up and nail polishing around the core. Going to leave the metal plates and hope it doesnt condensate alot underneath, sealed them pretty well

http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1756&stc=1&d=1268627886



http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1757&stc=1&d=1268627886


I bench from my brothers OCA ftw :clapping: :D

[RomDominance]

Looks like your battle wing is prepared to engage the enemy in the bot system.
Flagship enroute to your coordinates eta tuesday am, Jolan'tru Centurion!

[Neuromancer]

Insane in teh membrane

[Chuchnit]

hahaha, sweet insulation job Splig :D

[Witchdoctor]

Awsome work Splig ....
I hope it does not condense between the memory under the plates....

How about a pic of the back.

If all goes well this week will be dicing some cards this week and and curious to how you hadel the back of the card .....

Rip it up bro can't wait to see some Lightning Strikes

Here is an Epic Tune to bench with that was on the OP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dys_oTeguVw

[Jor-El]

Nice job mate now let the 1300/1400 come!

[Dentlord]

Man I hope these are good, anything less than 1400 core will be a huge disapointment imo

pretty much any asus reference card will do 1300+ cold so these HAVE to do better.

[Splave]

well my ln2 guy said I have to come back tomorrow to pick it up lol damn. sorry for the delay guys.

[Witchdoctor]

LOL ............... you run them dry Splig ................. :thumbsup:


:ohcrap:

[Splave]

well I hope your guys' work better than mine. I cant even load 1300/1200 at 1.55v and get random 2d freezing at 1200/1200 1.5v. Display loss at -170, 2d gets weird over -160. Waste of 2L, didnt even get to run any 3d benchmarks lol

Maybe a driver and AB extreme issues, using 10.3s ?

[Witchdoctor]

From my testoing 06 and Vantage only for 10.3's

9.12 for everything else

Man I thought they would clock better than that ...

[Dentlord]

Wow Im starting to REALLY wish I hadnt burned up my asus before splig could mod it lol

Try the 9.12's before you throw in the towel dood!

[Splave]

yeah im pretty mad about it lol for $500, was trying to run vantage but couldnt even set the clocks without it freezing. Hope its a driver issue def going to try 9.12s sometime.

[RomDominance]

My benching has revealed the opposite WD. The 10.3's are epic for vantage and completely unstable for everything else. I have had the best results with the 9.11 or 9.12 with the rest of the 3d's. Prolly driver issues splig or your mount, backup and check everything and come at it again when your not pissed lol.

Edit: I will have my lightning on LN2 today for test purposes, nice nudge Spliggy, focker!

[Jor-El]

Manufacturers playing games with our money again... Releasing a couple of golden samples to top benchers just for the kicks and to justify a $500 price tag.

[ReverendMaynard]

Nothing new Jor, it's become a side hobby: sifting through the BS.

[Witchdoctor]

Doe no Rom .... 3K beter on 06 here in PA ....

Who knows though, could have been a bugged run if you guys are not seeing the same results .....

I will have to try it again and see if it is consistantly higher or if it was in fact a freak of nature.

Rip it up you guys .....

[Hondacity]

Manufacturers playing games with our money again... Releasing a couple of golden samples to top benchers just for the kicks and to justify a $500 price tag.

hellz yeah i agree wit yah

@splave

was it stable 1000/1000 on air?

[Dentlord]

I am officially nervous enough to break out the lightning and do some testing ... was gonna finish with this p55 first but I have to know lol.

[Splave]

hellz yeah i agree wit yah

@splave

was it stable 1000/1000 on air?

1000/1200 on air 1.16v

Mount was great, nice even spread and AB was reading exactly what the ea10 was within 3 degrees.

[Jor-El]

1000/1200 on air 1.16v

Mount was great, nice even spread and AB was reading exactly what the ea10 was within 3 degrees.

Did you raise all vmem, vddci and vgpu? What volts?

[Splave]

I only raised vgpu, left memory at stock 1200

[Dentlord]

not looking very good, 1000 core is insta-fail up to 1.215v so far

Added

Now up to 1.25v still no love at all

[Dentlord]

Finally got it to pass Vantage @ 1000/1200, took 1.275v

Good gpu score though.

[Splave]

looks like your card is getting pretty toasty. I read that you need to washer mod the backside or the cooler will not contact properly. I noticed mine was pretty tippy

[ReverendMaynard]

looks like your card is getting pretty toasty. I read that you need to washer mod the backside or the cooler will not contact properly. I noticed mine was pretty tippy

that is ridiculous man. A 500 bone card that needs a washer mod? Why didn't they just sell it with a kingpin pot attached?

[Splave]

^def agree

article
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/R5870_HD_5870_Lightning/32.html

[ReverendMaynard]

Wonder if it's the PWM frequency MSI (aside from the jacked heatsink) set that makes these things hot at stock values? Like on the Classified m/b's, as you jack up the cpu and VTT core, you have to adjust the PWM frequency due to increase noise levels. If I leave my pwm frequency when running the board at lower speeds on air it get ridiculously hot.

[Chuchnit]

that is ridiculous man. A 500 bone card that needs a washer mod? Why didn't they just sell it with a kingpin pot attached?

Good point :P Did you guys see Maddawg's review on the egg? :laughing:

[Splave]

which one there are 2 haha

[Chuchnit]

which one there are 2 haha

Ya I saw both. I was talking about the one bitching about the lack of a tek 9 6.66 fully insulated strapped to it. :laughing:

[Dentlord]

I sure hope that the better power delivery will help this card when cold, on air its not even close to my old asus.

Awaiting Rom's results tonight, might have to throw a pot at it today myself.

[Witchdoctor]

Man this sucks guys I was hoping the lightnings were da shit .....

Hope things turn around under the cold a bit .....

My HIS hit 1050/1300 on air @ 1.275

[Splave]

I got frustrated pretty quickly, didnt try different drivers. CPU was at safe clocks on cascade 4.9ghz and loose ass ram.

Maybe it doesnt like afterburner extreme? but why would all the top guys use it?

[ReverendMaynard]

Ya I saw both. I was talking about the one bitching about the lack of a tek 9 6.66 fully insulated strapped to it. :laughing:

lol didn't see that. Never go to newegg myself, but the reviews are bitchin!:thumbsup:

[Chuchnit]

Ya, OCA is owning the reviews on that particular product, hehe.

[Witchdoctor]

That's because we have to get our shit the old fasiond way

buy it ....... :ohcrap:

[Jor-El]

Guys,

You have to make sure you're using a VR to raise vgpu, Afterburner does not work. I was testing 1.16vgpu all along till today I decided to double check real volts with a dmm.

Afterburner at 1.35v > Real measurement = 1.16v :thumbdown:

Anybody knows the vgpy mod soldering points and VR?

[Hondacity]

that couldn't be right...

are you using afterburner extreme?

also 1.1v is too low...you sure you measurin at the right spot?

[Chuchnit]

Nickshih said there was no hardmod needed. :Dizzy:

[Hondacity]

i believe nickshih....

the pwm circuit should work unless the card is borked...

[Dentlord]

I have to disagree here, if it wasnt raising voltage, why would the test get farther each time I bumped it until it passed at 1.275v and then I could run it repeatedly without crashing?

Afterburner works (at least the extreme version)

[Jor-El]

that couldn't be right...

are you using afterburner extreme?

also 1.1v is too low...you sure you measurin at the right spot?

Honda yes the card has build in voltage reading spots...

They read vgpu: 1.16v and Vmem: 1.62v

I tried TPU GPU tool and Afterburner 1.5.0 you can raise volts till 1.35v on Afterburner but does nothing to real volts.

TPU GPU tool says "this card is not compatible with volt increase".

[Splave]

so you did try AB extreme? It was settings volts fine for me. I love the slide in DMM probe holders :)

Pretty sure k|ng used it to break the 03 record the other day (using 10.3a drivers)

[Jor-El]

I have to disagree here, if it wasnt raising voltage, why would the test get farther each time I bumped it until it passed at 1.275v and then I could run it repeatedly without crashing?

Afterburner works (at least the extreme version)

Did you measure with DMM? Use the leads provided with the card.

Voltages where the same with 1.16 or 1.35...

[Jor-El]

so you did try AB extreme?

No I tried regular Afterburner 1.5.0 have to try extreme then.

[Dentlord]

so you did try AB extreme? It was settings volts fine for me. I love the slide in DMM probe holders :)

Pretty sure k|ng used it to break the 03 record the other day (using 10.3a drivers)

Sick I didnt even know those were in the package!!

AB definitely confirmed working here, acutally reads higher than what you set in AB by .03v

[Jor-El]

Sick I didnt even know those were in the package!!

AB definitely confirmed working here, acutally reads higher than what you set in AB by .03v

Extreme?!

I will test Extreme ver. now and report back I was using regular AB 1.50 lol

No changes what so ever and the card was doing ok even then lol

[Dentlord]

Wow, 1.275v set in AB, under load in Vantage, 1.315v actual!

[Splave]

bangin lol guess the reason they clock better it they add .05v ;)

Dent did it bounce around alot? more than .005 or so?

[Jor-El]

Confirmed: my card does not scale voltages with software (AB/ABE) tried both. Guess I received a FUBAR card then.

There you go: 1.42vgpu on ABE and volts still the same on screen and dmm: solid 1.125...

Can anyone confirm their BIOS version (same or different then mine):

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/8986/msi5870.th.jpg (http://img683.imageshack.us/i/msi5870.jpg/)

[FACE]

Confirmed: my card does not scale voltages with software (AB/ABE) tried both. Guess I received a FUBAR card then.



That sux... $500 just to wait for RMA. That is, unless you want to hard mod an already modded card.... :shock:

[Kal-EL]

Confirmed: my card does not scale voltages with software (AB/ABE) tried both. Guess I received a FUBAR card then.

So you uninstalled AB and then installed ABE? I can't see how you're card would just be mechanically fubarred like that.

[Dentlord]

bangin lol guess the reason they clock better it they add .05v ;)

Dent did it bounce around alot? more than .005 or so?



1.311 to 1.318 in the first test of vantage

[Hondacity]

jor

try plugging your voltmeter in a 110v socket...maybe that is not working lol...

or measure some batteries...

[Splave]

guys with these fattie wide boy cards I had to strip alot of insulation off my tek to get it so sit flush and with good contact. something to keep in mind.

@dent looks kosher to me

[Jor-El]

So you uninstalled AB and then installed ABE? I can't see how you're card would just be mechanically fubarred like that.

jor

try plugging your voltmeter in a 110v socket...maybe that is not working lol...

or measure some batteries...

Yes I did remove AB completely and installed ABE on 2 dif. Oses.

Well It wouldn't surprise you if I send a pic of the box it came with.

Honda I tested DMM bats are fine, and used 2 different multimeters.

Look at the voltage monitor on ABE, it's stuck even though I selected 1.42vgpu:
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/8986/msi5870.th.jpg (http://img683.imageshack.us/i/msi5870.jpg/)

[FACE]

Did you unlock unofficial overclocking?

[Jor-El]

Did any of your cards came with a hand writing sticker on the outside of the box:

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5515/img0150u.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/img0150u.jpg/)

[Splave]

nope, did look like a toddler packed it though. All the tabs were ripped up

[Jor-El]

Did you unlock unofficial overclocking?

Yes! Freaking volt is solid 1.125v no matter what I do.

[Jor-El]

nope, did look like a toddler packed it though. All the tabs were ripped up


:ohcrap: so I was the lucky one to get a open-box fubar board from the store (although I bought a new one) :thumbdown:


Well I guess RMA is on the way.

[Splave]

Good news = this thread needs more of it lol

[Chuchnit]

Good news = this thread needs more of it lol

LOL, well when your GT gets here fill this baby up. :thumbsup: I hope you get a killer chip.

[Dentlord]

Gettin ready to see what she will do!

[Jor-El]

^ Looking good!

was it easy to take the mem sink?

wish you luck like splave said we need good news in this thread.

[GFDuke]

Good news = this thread needs more of it lol

You're not gonna get any from me. So far its a POS!!! I cant even get close to 1000 on air. My vanilla one did 1k on air without breaking a sweat.

[Dentlord]

No ram sink, that ram next to the pot is gonna be so freakin cold anyway lol

Crossing my fingers, gonna fire it up after I eat a bite. Hope I have enough ln2 left to go for a decent time :S

[Jor-El]

No ram sink, that ram next to the pot is gonna be so freakin cold anyway lol

Crossing my fingers, gonna fire it up after I eat a bite. Hope I have enough ln2 left to go for a decent time :S

No Bud I'm talking about this big fat aluminum one that's stock with the card:

http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1756&stc=1&d=1268627886

Was it easy to remove?

[GFDuke]

Every Driver i try to install fails. Whats up with that? ATI

I'm with Jor. It dosnt seem like its taking the voltage. Unfortunately my mm needs batts. So i can't check it atm. Using the OSD in the bench shows that the voltage is stock. Which i believe. I lock right up in 06 at 1000mhz on 1.35. I tried going up as far as 1.45. Nothing. The temps are in range as far as i can see but it could be spiking so quick that the software dosn't have time to read and display it before it freezes up. But honestly i doubt that. Pretty sure we need a hard mod. OC? Is it in the same spot?

[Dentlord]

1300 so far is ok, cross your fingers!

[Jor-El]

Every Driver i try to install fails. Whats up with that? ATI

I'm with Jor. It dosnt seem like its taking the voltage. Unfortunately my mm needs batts. So i can't check it atm. Using the OSD in the bench shows that the voltage is stock. Which i believe. I lock right up in 06 at 1000mhz on 1.35. I tried going up as far as 1.45. Nothing. The temps are in range as far as i can see but it could be spiking so quick that the software dosn't have time to read and display it before it freezes up. But honestly i doubt that. Pretty sure we need a hard mod. OC? Is it in the same spot?

Yeah something fishy I guess 1400/1400 only with all the hard mods on and with the voltage cranked.

Problem is hardmod for this card = void warranty or any online sale for that matter, card will die with ya (will be a good paper weight though). It's very extensive and needs removal of several smds etc...

[Dentlord]

15635 2nd run 1300/1250

[GFDuke]

15635 2nd run 1300/1250

I take it your voltage is changing with AB?

[Dentlord]

Running great, but my driver god borked in vista and I cant get back IN LOL

I dont have enough ln2 to fuck with it so imma just run 06 05 and 03

[MaadDaawg]

The only thing disturbing bout that is if fermi is like all of the recent 55nm green stuff, it won't oc for shit, ie no voltage control. The lightning is built for LN2:muaha:


NO VOLTAGE CONTROL ON THE FERMI CARDS :ohcrap: :keeporder: :thumbdown:

Say it ain't so Joe, say it ain't so :wtf2:

[Dentlord]

Well Im out of ln2, that started out great and ended up fail

Ran @ 1300/1250 no sweat, but wouldnt go faster with any volts, all the way to 1.6v

All I got was a few hundred point bump in vantage and 03

[Splave]

bwahaha loved the pic dent :) made my shitty night better

atleast you got 1300 out of it rofl, How much voltage did it want for that?
Could it be that the drivers/afterburner or some shit likes vista over 7?
I guess we got pwnd just like the 7.1ghz 670s


"Massman"
~ vgpu = 1.55V; temp = -100°C

I was running 1475MHz GPU untill halfway GT2 when either OCP or OVP was kicking in. With a bit more time (and ln2), I'm sure 1475 will be Vantage stable ... and then it's only 25MHz away from 1500 .

Also did 105k 03 with safety clocks (1400/1250) ... ran GT4 without any LN2 left ... card warmed up to -80°C


Maybe we are running them too cold?

[Dentlord]

bwahaha loved the pic dent :) made my shitty night better

atleast you got 1300 out of it rofl, How much voltage did it want for that?
Could it be that the drivers/afterburner or some shit likes vista over 7?
I guess we got pwnd just like the 7.1ghz 670s


"Massman"
~ vgpu = 1.55V; temp = -100°C

I was running 1475MHz GPU untill halfway GT2 when either OCP or OVP was kicking in. With a bit more time (and ln2), I'm sure 1475 will be Vantage stable ... and then it's only 25MHz away from 1500 .

Also did 105k 03 with safety clocks (1400/1250) ... ran GT4 without any LN2 left ... card warmed up to -80°C


Maybe we are running them too cold?


I was kinda thinking that myself, the colder I got it, the more problems I seemed to have. It ran best right at the first when I was cooling it down still. Once everything got nice and frozen, it became almost impossible to run.

[Splave]

intersting,

Our very own steponz came through with some great intel, he spoke to MSI and they said you need 1.5.1 afterburner which is unavailable at the moments. Its a known bios issue with the current one lol they didnt put that on the box did they ;)

Dent you sure you are getting the voltages to change, or maybe you just have a great clocker. Would you mind dumping your card bios and I can compare it to mine?

[Hondacity]

woot i love this thread :D

oca's best :D

sorry i can't shut my pie hole...

[Dentlord]

intersting,

Our very own steponz came through with some great intel, he spoke to MSI and they said you need 1.5.1 afterburner which is unavailable at the moments. Its a known bios issue with the current one lol they didnt put that on the box did they ;)

Dent you sure you are getting the voltages to change, or maybe you just have a great clocker. Would you mind dumping your card bios and I can compare it to mine?


I am very sure, had the dmm hooked up to vgpu measure the entire time, dmm reflected exactly what I set in AB every time (with slight overvoltage as mentioned earlier)

I cant dump the bios right now, the card is swimming in melt-off lol

[Jor-El]

I am very sure, had the dmm hooked up to vgpu measure the entire time, dmm reflected exactly what I set in AB every time (with slight overvoltage as mentioned earlier)

I cant dump the bios right now, the card is swimming in melt-off lol

Yeah I sent a gpu-z Ss to compare BIOSes, maybe you got one with new bios already...

[ReverendMaynard]

NO VOLTAGE CONTROL ON THE FERMI CARDS :ohcrap: :keeporder: :thumbdown:

Say it ain't so Joe, say it ain't so :wtf2:

Last I read, vcore control was a given on the 470 and 480.

Source Rom?

[RomDominance]

Not this Rom, not sure bout fermi. I am sure that the lightning sucks with this AB and its current bios. Prepped it properly, got ABE installed and no voltage control.
Still pushed thru a vantage at 1250 on the core with 1.14v so if I ever get votage control, this card looks promising. Pics are the only thing I got out of the mini-session, que sera.
1769

1770

1771

1772

1773

[Hondacity]

rom

you didn't get the ramsink? or u just decided to use your own kit? nice pixies

[Dentlord]

Here is my bios version according to gpu-z
http://overclockaholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1774&stc=1&d=1268882133


Any chance it would be ok to fire it up with an empty pot long enough to save the bios??

[RomDominance]

honda
I use my own sync's, they allow me to insulate better. Thanks.

[Jor-El]

Very nice pics RomDom! Man that is a lot of eraser, how many per card?

So far the results are only with the card scaling with cold. Can't wait to see it scaling with cold & Voltages.

[RomDominance]

Me too! and thanks Jor. I used three blocks of eraser per side. I don't usually insulate all the way out, but I figured this card would be very cold for longer than usual bench times, so wth. Good news is no cb at -150, so with some V she should perform well. btw did you get my response that I was in Tucson?

[Neuromancer]

Me too! and thanks Jor. I used three blocks of eraser per side. I don't usually insulate all the way out, but I figured this card would be very cold for longer than usual bench times, so wth. Good news is no cb at -150, so with some V she should perform well. btw did you get my response that I was in Tucson?

OMG 3 blocks perside?

I used 2 blocks on my mobo... damn I gotta learn how to insulate i guess :ohcrap:

Then again my pot don even get frosty... you are in a desert arent you? Why the hell you frosting at all? Its 30% humidity here I got no frost with DIce.....

[Hondacity]

last time i insulated my board i used like 12 erasers ..the big ones...LOL

[Neuromancer]

last time i insulated my board i used like 12 erasers ..the big ones...LOL

Holy crap!! what you do the entire thing both sides? Or did you not knead the eraser and just push the blocks on?

I must misunderstand what the eraser is doing if I used so little (then again.. after seeing the exorbitant lengths some of these guys go to with paper towels and all that) well I ain't been to -170C yet so cant compare... but with DIce.. it just dont get that frosty...and minimal insulation is needed. I had to expose a metal object cooled to a DIce temps to see any frost at all.. hell even my styrofoam cup siting on the desk full of DIce powder got only a catina of frost on it and I could still grab it with my barehand.. not a white styrofoam either.. a thin one...

[Hondacity]

i fear water....LOL

i had problems before...it won't happen again :D

i make sure i compress the eraser onto the board...but really its not needed but...heck if it can be done...8hrs is nothing...i' just double everything :)

[FACE]

Yeah, I use a shit-ton of eraser as well. Better safe than sorry, even under dice.

[Dentlord]

I had never used ln2 on a card before yesterday and holy CRAP the whole thing was solid ice when I was done :laughing:

I will definitely add some more eraser before next time, high humidity here is a killer.

BTW I have the bios from my card saved, if anyone wants to check it out pm me.

[Splave]

yeah in NY was epic frost too, had about 1/2 inch of ice on the backside in half an hour at -160 lol

rom thats probably the cleanest mount job I have ever seen, kudos.

[Dentlord]

Imma fill up the dewar today and try again with the lightning. This time Ill insulate better and keep it around -100c and see if it likes it warmer.

[Dentlord]

This thing is going back to the egg, fuck this massive POS card in its over-hyped bunghole

[Kal-EL]

Well thats just sucks, has no one had good results with this highly hyped card?

[Splave]

This thing is going back to the egg, fuck this massive POS card in its over-hyped bunghole

not going to wait for the updated AB? who knows if it will fix anything ya know

[Dentlord]

This card has cost me enough just in gas and ln2 already, Im finished with it. My asus reference was a far better card for $125 less

[Assassin48]

A New WR
http://hwbot.org/community/submission/975487_

[Splave]

interesting win7 x64

[ReverendMaynard]

doesn't AB 1.50 officially support the Lightening? It's in the release notes.

[Dentlord]

1.5 works like a champ here, just got a dud card. I knew when it took almost 1.3v for 1000 core I was fuxxed

[Jor-El]

1.5 works like a champ here, just got a dud card. I knew when it took almost 1.3v for 1000 core I was fuxxed

Only works for a few cards. MSI is working on the 1.5.1 version should be out to public tomorrow.

Probably a BIOS issue.

I will try your BIOS later on thanks!

[Witchdoctor]

Ahh that a drag Dent .... hope the next one is a hot rod bro

[Dentlord]

Next one will be a fermi ;)

I will still have a 5870 when my asus rma gets back here, but not buying another one.

[Witchdoctor]

Cool they will let you trade for a 480

Can't wait as I sold my 5870 ......

piggy bank is ready, hoping this thing weighs in under $ 500.00

But I need a Global card on the GPU table .................... :thumbsup:

[GFDuke]

The new Ab is out. But still fubared. Benching 06. I can set the voltage and its actually showing on my MM. But as soon as a bench starts it goes back to default and i get a checkerboard freeze up. This is at default clock speeds.
http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/download.htm

[HITandRUN]

Cool they will let you trade for a 480

Can't wait as I sold my 5870 ......

piggy bank is ready, hoping this thing weighs in under $ 500.00

But I need a Global card on the GPU table .................... :thumbsup:

Yeah the 480 supposed to be priced at $499.

[Dentlord]

I would love to know what all the guys setting records with lightnings were using ...

[ReverendMaynard]

OCP kicking in on a card that's designed to eat voltage? WTF?

[Splave]

I would love to know what all the guys setting records with lightnings were using ...

they probably have AB 3.5.0 already :laughing:

[Dentlord]

My problem now is whether to refund this card and buy fermi or exchange for another lightning and see if I get a good one ......... and buy fermi lol

[ReverendMaynard]

personally, I would get the refund buy a fermi and get those fresh boints.

[Dentlord]

personally, I would get the refund buy a fermi and get those fresh boints.

Thats what Im thinking as well, just still sucked in by all those 1450-1500 core scores with lightning lol

[Splave]

dont want to wait and see if its just the bios and or AB? I know you like to bench and NOW :) great trait imo.

[Dentlord]

dont want to wait and see if its just the bios and or AB? I know you like to bench and NOW :) great trait imo.

LOL yes I am horribly impatient, and my wife would disagree about how good a trait that is :laughing:

This card needs 1.3v to run 1000mhz, I just dont see AB or bios fixing a turd core.

I really wanted to break this card in half yesterday, the only thing that stopped me was the $500 price tag

[RomDominance]

you could always just put a dent in it, then work it out, then send it back...or just send that piece of shit back. I would get another one, and specify a "new" one, bench that, then sell it.

[ReverendMaynard]

LOL yes I am horribly impatient, and my wife would disagree about how good a trait that is :laughing:

This card needs 1.3v to run 1000mhz, I just dont see AB or bios fixing a turd core.

I really wanted to break this card in half yesterday, the only thing that stopped me was the $500 price tag

just as a comparison, I ran 1100/1325 in Vantage last night on 1.225v, with a Powercolor vanilla. Never hit more than 53C at 22C ambient.

[Dentlord]

^ exactly F this card lol (getting worked up again)

[ReverendMaynard]

^ exactly F this card lol (getting worked up again)

sorry if that seemed like salt in the wound :(

That's only Vantage, 03 it would probably greyscreen in 2 seconds.

[Witchdoctor]

What I don't get is how all these dudes hit these amazing clocks with the prerelease cards


If this is not conclusive proof of cherry picking I don't know what is

BS as a lot of people laid down the money ... based on the early results

[Assassin48]

Another 1460mhz core clock
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4295350#post4295350

NickShih has almost 1500mhz on his lightning
http://hwbot.org/community/submission/972063_nickshih_3dmark_vantage___performance_radeo n_hd_5870_31007_marks

[Jor-El]

There you go before hand: http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/images/MSIAfterburnerSetup151.zip

[Splave]

^awesome repped

whos the guinea pig?

[ocgmj]

The new Ab is out. But still fubared. Benching 06. I can set the voltage and its actually showing on my MM. But as soon as a bench starts it goes back to default and i get a checkerboard freeze up. This is at default clock speeds.
http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/download.htm

^^ ;)

[Gunslinger]

I'll be testing the new version tonight myself, will report back.

[Splave]

^^ ;)

whoa where did that come from lol? didnt see it

[Jor-El]

And it's up officially on MSI website, guess it's safe!

[ocgmj]

http://www.overclockaholics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=31887&postcount=170 :Hi:

[Witchdoctor]

Hows your lightning doing OC ? ....

[ocgmj]

Sucks a fatty on air. Haven't had time to hit the cold. :(

[RomDominance]

Tested the new ab today, no go. I called msi and spoke to a tech about it. He said all of the earliests versions of it were shipped with a bad bios. I asked him to have the product manager call me about the fact that our team has five and they are all fucked. Told him its bad pr for the #1 team to have 5 pos's. Lets see if he calls or contacts me. In the interim I am gonna flash my card with Dent's bios and see if it makes a difference. Stay tuned and GL

[lakeside2189]

Mine sucked TOO...The best i did on air was 1035 gpu and the memory clock was just chit....like 1210....My XFX just kills it...I had one increased score with 3D05 by like 18 points but a low 1025/1210 clock...
Makes since that it would be 3D05....05 seems to always like something different....

I don't really understand why the clocks are so bad because it runs as cool as the standard 5870....

I sent it back!!!!!!!!!!

waiting on the 5870 Matrix 2gb

When they first showed people testing it, wasn't it a 2gb model??????

[Hondacity]

Tested the new ab today, no go. I called msi and spoke to a tech about it. He said all of the earliests versions of it were shipped with a bad bios. I asked him to have the product manager call me about the fact that our team has five and they are all fucked. Told him its bad pr for the #1 team to have 5 pos's. Lets see if he calls or contacts me. In the interim I am gonna flash my card with Dent's bios and see if it makes a difference. Stay tuned and GL

represent bro!!! :thumbsup:

[Kal-EL]

Tested the new ab today, no go. I called msi and spoke to a tech about it. He said all of the earliests versions of it were shipped with a bad bios. I asked him to have the product manager call me about the fact that our team has five and they are all fucked. Told him its bad pr for the #1 team to have 5 pos's. Lets see if he calls or contacts me. In the interim I am gonna flash my card with Dent's bios and see if it makes a difference. Stay tuned and GL

There ya go, throw the "Team" into the mix and "#1", lets see if it ruffles any feathers. I'll hit some peeps up for the Golden vga bios.

[RomDominance]

ty Kal, as this guy won't even hit the reference numbers without a poke in the bunghulio:shock:

[GFDuke]

Screw it. I sent mine back. I'm not going to buy another POS!!!! Radeon card again. They sucked us all in with their bait and switch tactic. I don't believe they didn't know the bios was bad. I think they just figured we'd suck it up. The green goblin is around the corner.

[lakeside2189]

Looks like Newegg has removed the Lightning....
Prolly from so many returns :ohcrap:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%20106793261%201067949754&name=Radeon%20HD%205870

[RomDominance]

Just fired mine up with a dry pot to check the bios, and its the same as Dent's bios. No point in flashing it to the same bios. I hope it doesn't need to go back because of a bad vreg. I am gonna become worse than the worst case of syphilis to the tech folks over at msi till I get some answers.:flaminmad: Fucking dumbasses:gun5:

[GFDuke]

You wont get me to buy another Radeon product any time soon. The last cards were kind of ok but the drivers sucked. Tech suppport blows. And the bait and switch routine was just cut throat and the last straw. Cut your losses now and ditch the bitch before its to late.

[Gutterz]

Wish Crusty would give some input since his card did so well an even won are Vantage contest.

[GFDuke]

From what i read from Massman. Its not the bios, its not the Ab its a problem with the two being compatible. He says another Ab is on its way. but if you want he did post a bios that might work over at HWBot forums. My cards all packed so i won;t be trying. If it works i'll unpack it.

[Kal-EL]

Massman posted a bios for use here: http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6187
So you can all stop saying he's 100% evil now, just 99%

[Hondacity]

i hope it fixes the issue..i wanna see you guys bench cold on these mofos

[ocgmj]

Well my lightning turned out to be more like a watch battery. Even after flashing the bios that Massman posted still not worth the price tag. Another one sent back for refund. Something is definitely wrong with these. My return was approved within 10 minutes. So that has to tell you something...

[Hondacity]

good to know you guys getting quick refunds....funds for fermi :D

pwm will pawn :D i hope the gpu scales with cold...

[Splave]

yeah guys newegg is doing an auto RMA refund confirmation on these. IMO thats a bad sign and Im sending mine back as well.

[Witchdoctor]

Damm for 5 bills you think they would have taken the time to make sure they were working before they shipped to second party vendors ????

Not an MSI fan and prolly never will be .... this speaks to their quality controll and if the sub it still no excuss IMO as they have to hold their subs to a higher quality standard and spot check to ensure the high standards are being met.

This product was aimed directly at the overclocking community and MSI has effectivly wasted everyones time..................... :thumbdown:

[Gunslinger]

If anyone has done the washer mod, please post a picture for examination...:D

[2chesapeakes]

If anyone has done the washer mod, please post a picture for examination...:D
Sounds like most people did the RMA mod. Sucks that they put this crap out.

[Witchdoctor]

Yea, I just hope for the ones that are getting a replacments they send out some hot rods

[Gunslinger]

I had another delivered today, it came with the updated "20" bios installed. My other 2 have the "19" bios.

[RomDominance]

Does it hold your voltage settings when the bench starts Mike? I hope so bro. Where did you get it?

[Gunslinger]

Have not tested it yet, bought it at Newegg on Friday of last week.

Spent most of last night trying to flash the other two cards to the new bios. <<<<<<NOOB ALERT!

Ended up using this: http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/261/

Made it real simple to flash the GPU bios while in windows, so much easier than with dos based atiflash.

[Chuchnit]

You better get to benching gunny. Roadrunner just told you to eat his shorts in 06.

[RomDominance]

Well I hope you have better luck than me. With OC's help, I finally got my flash boot disk to recognize and boot, flashed the card and nada. I think the voltage reglulators on these early models are fracked. I am gonna test it a bit more this morning with different drivers, but I am fairly sure that there is no redemption for MSI or the lightning within the Empire. Screwed again.

[Hondacity]

the voltage regulators should be working....if you have a display on the monitor..and play games..it should be working...

its a matter of controlling the output of the pwm...like any program it has to have a good communication..if one bit of the program isn't good..then controlling the pwm won't work.

[Splave]

Im the guy, the lightning is the ice = fail

http://i.imgur.com/b7aYN.gif

Not sure if I want to hard mod it but it seems its the only true way to go. Will get some pics up and see if anyone has any ideas.

[Witchdoctor]

I would send it back

And maybe call MSI and give them some abuse .......... who knows maybee they will send you a kick ass sample just so they never have to talk to you again ........ LOL

[HITandRUN]

Im the guy, the lightning is the ice = fail

http://i.imgur.com/b7aYN.gif

Not sure if I want to hard mod it but it seems its the only true way to go. Will get some pics up and see if anyone has any ideas.

Meh I think its too close to the new nvidia release. Sell or send back and wait for the GTX480 I would say.

[Splave]

yeah your right, i mean if the gtx480 is almost as fast as a 5970 = ownage

[RomDominance]

There's hope even for fat dumb guys.
Running the new 1.5.1 AB (only one that controls voltage, nogo on AB E) maxed out at 1.35v (where it is) and max core speed of 1350MHz
Great card for that speed at that voltage, it just needs more juice.

btw, fat guy watching=OC
fat guy jumping into lake=Rom
1825

[Gunslinger]

I wonder how it acts with multiple cards...

[Gutterz]

I want to know what was going threw that fat guys head? Bet it was a chore to get him out of the ice.

[Kal-EL]

I want to know what was going threw that fat guys head? Bet it was a chore to get him out of the ice.

He prolly just finished watching Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory and thought the pond was made outa chocolate. :blink:

[Witchdoctor]

There's hope even for fat dumb guys.
Running the new 1.5.1 AB (only one that controls voltage, nogo on AB E) maxed out at 1.35v (where it is) and max core speed of 1350MHz
Great card for that speed at that voltage, it just needs more juice.

btw, fat guy watching=OC
fat guy jumping into lake=Rom
1825


Sick score Rom .... :thumbsup:

27K is with in sight :clapping:

[Gunslinger]

confirmed here, the new bios with 1.5.1 AB works, just clocks like shit on air is all, can't do 1000MHz core on 1.25V Tek's will be here this week though. :happy2:

[ocgmj]

I agree clocks like shit on air. Ok on LN2 but the max voltage setting on AB 1.5.1 of 1.3? is a dead stop. Vmod or unlocked AB maybe need to hit the 1400 mark IMO.

[Neuromancer]

Once I am done doing what I am here I will see if I can install ABE and 1.5 to see if I can figure out the difference. Then will install 1.51 and compare to 1.5

Might be as simple as changing a little hex coding to unlock "extreme" on the 1.51 software :)

EDIT: will look at this weekend.. not time tonight and my kids are coming over tomorrow :)

[Gunslinger]

Confirming it also works on 3 card setups. These little read out wires they include are the shiz nizzle, not worth the extra $100 bucks, but nice nonetheless.

[Chuchnit]

http://kingpincooling.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7537&postcount=20 :thumbsup:

[Gunslinger]

http://kingpincooling.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7537&postcount=20 :thumbsup:


Definately a nice card, but after the PITA mods it took to get the GTX 260 SOC up to speed, that's what pushed me towards the lightning's instead. :ohcrap:

[Chuchnit]

Well Dinos is hinting at soft mods for voltage with this series. He won't speak much of it though so who knows?

[RomDominance]

Not alot of info out there on the lightning mods though. And with the new bios and new ab, they need it. Unless there is a AB-e that will work with them and that is unavailable except for certain clicks...business as usual

[ocgmj]

If anyone has done the washer mod, please post a picture for examination...:D

From W1zzard:

add an additional washer between mounting springs and the card, so that the pressure increases. It took a few tries to get it right, but then I was seeing good temperatures again.

[Neuromancer]

Anyone that still has a lightning and no voltage control....


open RTCore.cfg in ABExtreme and add this to the RV870 line ",689Eh"

Might help with detection and allow voltage controls. The only other changes I can see made in the versions is within the DAT files but quickview/notepad and such return garbage. Which can mean any number of things.

[Patch]

After flashing new bios and updating to AB 1.5.1 I can do voltage control finally on the Lightning. It clocks reasonably well on the stock cooler with 1.35v, but I'd like to freeze it in the next few days (waiting until I can get AM3 to work on my new Win7 64....still futzing).

I paired the Lightning up with a hard modded vanilla 5870 to see how AB 1.5.1 worked with only overvolting the Lightning. Wanted to make sure it didn't play funny with the hard-modded card voltages.

Got this with the CPU on SS: http://hwbot.org/community/submission/979220_patch_3dmark_vantage___performance_2x_radeo n_hd_5870_35369_marks
I submitted it to orb but didn't bother with a screenie since I'm planning on freezing the cards/CPU this week. I didn't even realize the quality of the score until I was browsing the bot a few minutes llater. :blink: So I submitted it.

I really wish someone would share the data sheet on this lightning controller.......I haven't yet been able to try any config changes in AB because my noobness is preventing me from getting access to mod the files so far....I sure prefer soldering stuff to messing with code crap I don't understand.

[ocgmj]

Nice work Patch :)

[Hondacity]

damn that score is nice patch...score 38-45k please :D

[Patch]

Getting closer......

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/7169/vantagesnip.jpg

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/8606/silvervantage4.jpg

Couldn't resist trying out the CPU on LN2 tonight. :D

Not much time to bench because I'm the driver for tomorrow's volleyball tourney so need some sleep. Think I'll use up the LN2 over the rest of the weekend trying to find max CPU clocks, then refill and put the cards on the cold. :cool3:

[Assassin48]

Congrats on second place for now

[Neuromancer]

Nice job patch!

[Kal-EL]

Cummon Patch, break into the 5.3.....5.4......5.5.....5.6ghz range buddy, its in there somewhere ;)

[Hondacity]

you're a tease patch!

ahahhahah damn that cap mod looks monstrous!!!

[Jor-El]

Finally got it to clock with stock air heat sink (I guess the card knows it's going to rma this week):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HgIJiV4M_s

:laughing:

Nothing worked on this card... New bios, new AB etc the voltages stay at stock no matter what.

[Hondacity]

lol

what temps did you reach? ln2+air? you have a infrared temp meter? you need one of those :D

[Jor-El]

lol

what temps did you reach? ln2+air? you have a infrared temp meter? you need one of those :D

Was only a little bit for PCM5 1000/1300 15oC...

This card sucks on '3D - Pixel Shader' and 'Graphics Memory - 64 Lines' for some unknown reason, so I lost my Gold Global for little.