XFX 5870 XXX vs Asus EAH5870

[lakeside2189]

I was sent the Asus earlier and now the XFX cards...I was asked to compare the two cards using the same set-up (H20)..I asked if they would be Cherry picked and I was told they would be sent from Newegg or Diger Direct. They wanted a air or H20 comparison...I made things as equal as i could..We had a cold front for both of these but i had the house at 71....
I believe i am actually doing someones homework but i will push anything in my cube for a freebie..That didn't sound right did it???:smackbum: Benching referral only....:blush:
There are many of you that can get more out of these than i can but I made things equal as far as what i did.
Right now because of Bots i am sticking with 1 card comparisons..If you are a regular guy (air or water) multi cards don't really help...I will get to the multi later for my own pleasure...

First off I have to say I was under the impression when i started that the XFX XXX card was only worth the extra money if you wanted the double lifetime warranty because the OC clock that comes with them is really a down clock..900-1300.. compared to the Asus 1200-1400..It does run a higher clock at stock but i had to reduce the clock to 850-1200 for it to game without issues...
If you don't mind flashing the bios like I did with the help (BIG TIME) of Gutterz the XFX card runs smooth as silk then and is a bit stronger...You might say " they are all ATI reference cards except the bios but I believe XFX is cherry picking there gpu's or something because they do run a bit faster and cooler...

Sorry about the long windedness....

Vantage with the Asus the best i could get out of it at 4.500 was 19,800...with the XFX XXX with the Asus bios I hit 21,145 at 4.500 around 1400 points better consistently
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3D06 was close but the XFX edged it out 28,060 and 28,172 at 4.525 ..What is really freaky is this single GPU card with a so so clocker at best beat the 4870x2 with 2 gpu's....

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I put 2 of the 3D06 runs here..I stayed in between these 2 scores for 4.525..both are 100+ ponts better than i did with the Asus...

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3D03 with the Asus was 92,200...with the XXX card was about 600 points better..I did atleast 3 runs...4.650

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3D05 was close but still about 200-260 better for the XXX at 4.650 36,400 for Asus and 36760ish for the XXX

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Aqua was also close but always stayed ahead..You know how Aqua jumps a bit..I was around 1000 points faster with the XXX...333,000 with the Asus and this with the XXX

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I didn't put these up here to show how well i clocked them...
Anyone who knows me knows i am a hardware Junkie not a great clocker..I feel actually lonely with this 1 card..I have room to put a Turkey or my work boots in the cube....

Also I am not cutting down the Asus..lets face it..Without there bios they would kill these XFX cards...Also i have been accused of being a bit of an Asus fanboy ( that is what the XFX guy said).

The fact is even though it was close and you can see different ram clocks which I used everything I did for both the XFX pulled ahead on every bench i did....

I forgot to mention that I used the same GPU OC but the XXX seemed to take more OC than the Asus did..I didn't put those in the mix...

Now to refine this and burn it on a CD and send it in....I hope my Asus guy doesn't see this....!!!!!!!

THE END

[Neuromancer]

Nice work lakeside.

[Chuchnit]

Good work buddy. If you could show us some screenies, hwbot links, or fm links to "show" the difference in scores. That will keep the haters away.

How much cooler is the XFX running vs the Asus? If the 5800 series is like the 4800 then you may be getting scaling due to lower temps. Atleast I had a top bencher inform me this is the case.

[lakeside2189]

Good work buddy. If you could show us some screenies, hwbot links, or fm links to "show" the difference in scores. That will keep the haters away.

How much cooler is the XFX running vs the Asus? If the 5800 series is like the 4800 then you may be getting scaling due to lower temps. Atleast I had a top bencher inform me this is the case.
As far as screenies. I usually post everything on here..The Asus is under 5870 test...

As far as haters there is no need in them...for sure...I love both of these cards.. Actually XFX is a bit behind the eight ball so to speek.. There Bios has a flaw...The Asus bios is better..But there is something making the XFX run abit better clock...

As far as temps both cards are still great.. You can set the fan at 35% for stock running and stay about that and the asus seems to run around a few degrees warmer in the bench but still below 60..I really can't see why you would need to WC these unless you were a hardcore 4 hour gamer...

I am sure that someone else could post the same thing and get the Asus to come ahead.... Actually except for Vantage which I did in 64 instead of 32 all the scores were so close..The Vantage score was 1000 higher to 1400 as you can see in 5870 test.. I just found it interesting that XFX pulled ahead in all the runs i did...The bottom line is these are great cards... The Asus EAH5870 or the XFX 5870 XXX....The best I ever owned including the 5970 but that is just personal opinion....Both cards have no issues for me that I have read about..Like gray lock-ups etc. etc... They run cooler and faster and less problematic than any card I have ever tryed....

I put these comparisons on here because I have to do it anyway...If this bothers anyone I will stop... I am not Johnny Guru for sure but do enjoy trying these just as i will the fermi compared to these at the same bench....

Again a special THANKS to GUTTERZ for helping me with the bios flash..This is usually easy these days but for some reason win 7 wants to fight the USB stick.....

[Gutterz]

nice comparison. I myself have not had any problems on the XFX XXX 5870 like all the reviews state on the egg. But I never ran the card with the XFX bios. Maybe XFX just has a chitty bios.

[lakeside2189]

nice comparison. I myself have not had any problems on the XFX XXX 5870 like all the reviews state on the egg. But I never ran the card with the XFX bios. Maybe XFX just has a chitty bios.
I always game a bit with a new card to see how it does and temps..I had issues with there OCed 900-1300 bios...Freeze up's etc... As soon as i lowered the clockes to 850-1200 it was fine....
As far as the extra 18.00 for the XXX that could be worth it to some..If you are the type to sell your card after a year or so and move up the double Lifetime which means who you sell it to also gets the lifetime warranty can be handy...

Some companies don't honor there cards once sold....

As you can tell by most benches i did the core was over 1000 which even if you tryed to keep the XFX bios you would have to stay under 900...

Not sure how the vanilla XFX is..(what bios it has)...I was lucky to have a mate from my team help me change...

Asus always seems to be a step ahead when it comes to ATI GPU Bios's...

I did manage a 4.550 thanks to suggestion from 69 Goat and got my best 3D06 single GPU score ever..
I didn't compare this because i never ran 4.550 with the Asus with 3D06 or any other card as far as that goes... Thanks Goat..I am working on it....

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[Chuchnit]

Nice scores lakeside, and I for sure don't doubt your test. I ain't doubting you at all buddy. Nice work and thanks for putting in the time for these test.

[lakeside2189]

Nice scores lakeside, and I for sure don't doubt your test. I ain't doubting you at all buddy. Nice work and thanks for putting in the time for these test.
I never felt you did Bud!! I have a few people that I cheat off of there paper so to speak..I print there stuff from Bots and keep it..It comes in handy when you are a noob4life...Your stuff is in my binder....:clapping:

[Gutterz]

when do we get to see some multi card benches? :D

[lakeside2189]

when do we get to see some multi card benches? :D
I am just about finished with the single...I will put the second in tom...I might have to call ..I could have maybe forgotten how to do the bios flash...I have the usb...Just have to make sure i type in the right stuff....It makes me nervous.....:blush::blush:

You know, I am not going to be able to do what you do with that 30 below action you have invented..I am thinking about putting the cube in a small freezer.....I will give it a shot ... I will probably be able to do what you do with 1 and no boints at all....Go ahead and show what you have done with the -30 in 3d03-05-Vantage....I know you set the pace...

What does the gray numbers on the left at Bots mean????

[lakeside2189]

when do we get to see some multi card benches? :D
Flash complete on second card....No problems this time...:Dizzy:

[lakeside2189]

I easy 4.5 run...2 x 5870..I believe I only get .01 for it but the team gets 8+ points so it's worth it....I also noticed i did real close to some of the dice boys...

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[Kal-EL]

Lakeside straight pimpin again ;)
When do we corrupt you and remove you from the enslaved bondage of that case? :poke:

[lakeside2189]

I like to think that i represent the case side of OCA....Then again, a training class in Hawaii should be considered...I could use the vacation and knowledge....

3D03 2 x 5870...Can't really compare any of these 2 card runs with the Asus because they were done with the 9.11 and these the 9.12's and i have since given them away..

The rule was to always set the CCC and set AB for voltage only...
I have found something with the 9.12 driver

You must set AB first then the CCC... If you don't when you apply AB voltage, the second card goes back to stock in CCC....I learned this the hard way....
also each card has it's own fan control which the 9.11 didn't...

A new 2 card ( IN THE CASE UNTIL I GO TO HAWAII) High.....from 131,000 to 138,000+ @ 4.625 also the team gets 10+ points for this run..I get .01..They can kiss my hardware Junkie arse....But i do like the fact the team gets boints...After i come back from Hawaii I will try to get myself some crossfire boints....

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[Kal-EL]

Good strong runs nonetheless, and great info on the AB clock reset issue, noted and saved :D

[lakeside2189]

3D05 is a strange bench..It sometimes likes a lower GPU clock...

I did 3 runs and only beat the Asus cards by 3 points...

Interesting fact:
3D05 is the only bench that the 5970 beat 2 5870's in crossfire...Not sure why but beat the 2 5870's by 200 points..40,300+

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3D06 was a booming 500 points better and beat my 2 x 4870x2 score...My new high with half the GPU's.. 4.550...These really are some fast smooth cards....

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[Kriztoffer]

Nice scores and test man! :up:

At the moment, I don't think there are any difference between the brands. All a referance cards, software tweak is different. But the cards same, I bought a PowerColor, it runs at 1100/1300 at air. And PowerColor ain't the frist brand I go for..

Everyone have probably seen a lot of talk about MSI and ASUS, they are really the best. but I doubt it, if you get a good card, you get it which ever brand I'd say.

[Gutterz]

Nice scores!

What voltages on the cards you guys running for 1000 core 1300 mem? If ya dont mind me askin.

[lakeside2189]

Nice scores!

What voltages on the cards you guys running for 1000 core 1300 mem? If ya dont mind me askin.
I might not be the best to ask this because these we're demo but then again I have not lost a soldier yet!!!

I run between 1265-1287 with AB..I have read where people have fried at 1300 I think:Dizzy:
I just pushed the clocks a hair more to get my PB with 3D06..I used 1287 for this run.
Seems I can't get as high of a clock with 2 cards and it is confusing when you don't know which card needs to come down a bit...
New PB

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[lakeside2189]

I think I hit a sweet spot...Most of the people at 29,500+ with crossfire are running 4.6+ and some on LN...3000 points better than any of the other dual card runs and better than 2 4870x2's..Also took the points over a single card at bots..(17) and 16 team points for the single this beat out.....

It's like soups said..You post it all because you never know if you will get back there. Also with 64 instead of 32...freaky

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[Gutterz]

nice!.

[Kal-EL]

Very nice progress LS, are you at your bleeding edge of stability on the cpu clock?
For the love of Overclocking, get it COLDER! :D

[lakeside2189]

Very nice progress LS, are you at your bleeding edge of stability on the cpu clock?
For the love of Overclocking, get it COLDER! :D
Well,,,OK then....

[lakeside2189]

Well, I am still on the Bleedin edge with this H20 rig but it's all i got for now...

This won't always be the case but it is now and i said i would bench these XFX 5870's and what fun is it if i can't show you....Did manage to get to 40,229 doing 3D05 but couldn't catch the 5970...( only bench) won't bore you with that..

On the other hand I finished up with a good 3D03 run..3300 points better than before at 4.650

I am done now and have did my job....Will give you guys a break at watching this stuff.

I have enjoyed playing with the XFX XXX cards....

On a personal note I really like the 5870 and the XFX XXX version is a great one..I will actually keep one of these for myself and i never keep anything...As far as a everyday gamer these just can't be beat at this point....

Thanks for drudging threw me benching these....:Hi:
The last run 3D03 2 x XFX 5870 XXX

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[Chuchnit]

Killer score buddy!! What is your uncore at for these runs?

[lakeside2189]

Because i am a noob first and foremost and use an Asus board i think you mean QPI voltage....If not let me know...

The QPI voltage for anything over 4.6 with the Asus P6T7 and the 975 needs to be 1.56-1.58...I talked to a friend that said i would be good under 1.60....The 975 was demo also so if it fried it fried but is a strong soldier...

Also i should add that the Dominator GT 1866 ram is some great stuff..Running 1864 at 4.650 was killer..My cousin the GSkill salesman hardly speaks to me since switching but you just can't walk away from quality...

also i should add that the 975 is not as fast as the 920 was for me..Also takes much more voltage..I was having to run 1.53 at 4.6+ ...Goat and i played with going to a higher multi like Kal was running like a 31 and i can bring the voltage down and move up as far as speed but get a slower score..25 was the best....not sure why..still to green to understand some things...

The upside is the 975 seems to stay under 70c even running linX and you can't seem to hurt it.....

Hope i have come close to an answer....Thanks for looking at the benches..It was fun...Took a long time but fun....

I won't do anymore even if asked unless it is a version of fermi....

It sounds like you are getting something when you get a couple of these cards but it is time consuming..... I meant what i said..I keep your stuff printed in my binder..It has helped...LS/Jimmy

[Chuchnit]

I was talking about the uncore mhz. It can be found in the cpuz memory tab. It is labeled as northbridge.

[69_Goat]

Great work, Jimmy.

I really enjoyed this thread from start to finish.

[lakeside2189]

Great work, Jimmy.

I really enjoyed this thread from start to finish.
Chuch...PM sent...

Thanks Jesse, alot of the scores came from your help...These are really great cards...Have you decided on which card you are going with????

while looking for what Chuch wanted i remembered i hadn't run Aqua. Beat out the 5970..Not very high clocks on the GPU but i am done..I will edit this and add the results...Get back with me on what you decided to go with....

last bench for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Beat the 5970 with 2 x XFX 5870's at low clocks..I could push the clocks a bit but i am done..beat it by 100 points...LOL

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[Kal-EL]

Thats a strong AQ3 :good:

But I repeat! We need to get you COLDER! :poke::blush:

[lakeside2189]

Thats a strong AQ3 :good:

But I repeat! We need to get you COLDER! :poke::blush:
I found out from a very reliable source that Soup's has not shown us the dual 5970's because he is stuck playing

HAPPY AQUARIUM on Facebook!!

He is addicted!!!!!!

[lakeside2189]

I received an email today..It seems the 2 people I have been benching for now request that I move up to 5.0....

Basiclly they want me to get Colder!!!!
I am wondering if Kal emailed them????:Dizzy:

I have been in touch with SDumper who does custom SS builds....

This will be a new arena for me and I think I will build a second set-up for this...I could still be using an Asus MB..It just depends on if they are free...

I will need some help with this as i am a noob4life but I know i can get it here...

LIKE

what is a cold boot issue???

these SS babies probably put off some condensation so how is this dealt with...

Will I be able to control the SS at all like after a run can I ease it up so i can make a post????

A whole new world and i am shooting to make my guys pay for it....

The upside is i will get more VGA's to test and will share...

so maybe Help me if you can....

I love you guys and girls...Jimmy/LS

[DrNip]

More like help me if you can. I need somebody, anybody to send me hardware and tell me to bench with it. 5ghz is the standard package here! :D

[Kal-EL]

Cold boot is when the cpu is too cold to boot up.
For example.......
Today, I wanted to be swinging D!@K so I set everything up and pulled the CPU Ln2 pot down to -50c thinking it wasn't going to be too cold for first boot. WRONG! I forgot the cold boot on this chip is -42c. Each chip has differing cold boot temps. So I had to wait till it dropped down to -42c to boot upt he PC.

Once booted up, I can go in and drop the temps down further after getting my target settings setup. Now I pull down to about -100c and increase clocks with Evbot or Eleet or setfsb, whatever ur mobo needs to adjust clocks once in the operating system.

From this point you can reboot as you like, change blckc in bios, change voltages. If you're Cold Boot is -42c, you do not want to trigger a full shutdown reset.

Full shutdown resets happen when you change timings on your memory, the mem divider, cpu features, not sure about pci clock speed tho, don't remember.

Cold Bug occurs when you're in the OS and you pull down temps too far. Everything starts to get sluggish in the os or it will just freeze, usually around -120c for me on this 3570. At this point you are SCREWED and better pick up a magazine while you wait for temps to rise to -42c again. You're best bet is to make sure you're butane torch has butane in it and heat the inside of the pot till you regain you're desired temps.

Running an SS with a crap cpu that wants to bug out around -42c will suck but like I said, all the chips seem to vary at their cold bug spot but most run on SS nicely.

Insulation:
We have a few insulation threads in the ln2 section that are good reading. In the end, its you're hands and style and paranoya for condensation that will matter. Don't skimp, take ur time and get er dun.

I miss anything?

[lakeside2189]

Thanks Chief...I got some studying to do...

I got some time.....

I have seen guys run 24/7 on SS..must be small SS units....That is not what I am looking at...

whole new world..should be fun!!!!:Dizzy:

[Kal-EL]

You'll do fine. Some guys run Cascades for hours on end bro, its all in the insulation job.

[lakeside2189]

You'll do fine. Some guys run Cascades for hours on end bro, its all in the insulation job.
I need to study the insulation for sure..The rest will come but the insulation seems crucial...;)

[Neuromancer]

CBB will not be as much of an issue on the new chips coming out if I understand correctly.

Kal covered pretty much everything else :)