X58 has me baffled.. please help.

[punx223]

I sit at work right now thinking over what I have tried and it is truly astonishing as to the level at which i have gone to achieve stability with little success.

I can run 20x 200 with HT without turbo.... if i enable turbo it will not pass testing or will bsod on boot.

i can run turbo at 191x19 and get a lil over 4.0 ghz...

to run 200x20 i need vcore at 1.36 vtt/qpi at 1.412 just to run stable

can only run ram at 1600 mhz, and uncore at 3200 any higher and she has a fit.

if i set the ram at the default 2000 mhz even at looser timings it wont boot.

as soon as i get home i will post bios template... just trying to get ideas here



same issue with 2 cpu's btw so that tells me that its probably me making the error.

[Gunslinger]

BIOS settings will help for sure, you raising PCI-E as you rais Bclock?

I ran mine at 110MHz with my W3540, which was good up to 5.3GHz

[punx223]

BIOS settings will help for sure, you raising PCI-E as you rais Bclock?

I ran mine at 110MHz with my W3540, which was good up to 5.3GHz

ive ran mine up to 103... tahts another issue is if i go above 103.... to 104 or 105 it wont post



GAH

[Neuromancer]

Going to have to keep my eye on this thread, will update with my success/fail on the x58 platinum I got. Chipset runs REAL hot. First time I have needed a fan on a chipset cooler in YEARS.

[punx223]

neuro the msi boards have horrible TIM applications.... it is like thermal epoxy for hardness. get that off of there and re tim, and you should be much better...


as for the issues, im hoping to test some tonight

[Buckeye]

Are you running on Air or the Phase ?

You most likely need a bit more vcore.

[punx223]

Are you running on Air or the Phase ?

You most likely need a bit more vcore.

water.... i dont have an air cooler....


i will definitely push the voltages tonight... i know taht the QPI/VTT voltage is kinda strange at 1.45-1.475 will cause the computer to just restart...

but I will try more vcore... i was just expecting a D0 to not need a buncha volts for 200x20 and 1.36 seems high to me... am i wrong?

[Neuromancer]

Here is another sweet overclock, if your motherboard will be capable:

Bclock = 200

920 = x18-20 = 3600-4000 mhz (within safe vcore limits, air coolable)
940 = x18-22 = 3600-4400 mhz (vcore at limits for >4000, only water coolable)

200 Bclock x18 QPI = 3600 mhz > 7.2 G/s (motherboard better have balls for this)
200 Bclock x16 Uncore = 3200 mhz (good for DDR3-1600, raise VTT at own risk for more)

Guess it was the QPI/VTT voltage I saw about passing 220 Bclcok.

Interesting to note the comment made on the QPI speed.

Check the number of phases your mobo supplies for VTT, it uses 30W at STOCK. Some mobos are pushing 4 phases for this at least 2 would be necessary i think.

Dunno if I have a messed up bios or not, I set 21x multi on mine and hit 4.2 pretty easily, never saw it drop to 4GHz for wprime either...(tried 4 8 and 16 threads in wp also, 8 works best :) 2 seconds faster than 4 threads, 16 threads was .5 seconds slower than 8 threads)
4.2 WAS NOT STABLE THOUGH, found out I was running my mem at almost 2000 MHz LOL at 1.65 volts :p not bad for $50 tri channel ram :)

[punx223]

Guess it was the QPI/VTT voltage I saw about passing 220 Bclcok.

Interesting to note the comment made on the QPI speed.

Check the number of phases your mobo supplies for VTT, it uses 30W at STOCK. Some mobos are pushing 4 phases for this at least 2 would be necessary i think.

Dunno if I have a messed up bios or not, I set 21x multi on mine and hit 4.2 pretty easily, never saw it drop to 4GHz for wprime either...(tried 4 8 and 16 threads in wp also, 8 works best :) 2 seconds faster than 4 threads, 16 threads was .5 seconds slower than 8 threads)
4.2 WAS NOT STABLE THOUGH, found out I was running my mem at almost 2000 MHz LOL at 1.65 volts :p not bad for $50 tri channel ram :)

hmmm tahts quite interesting... i will be looking into this for sure... maybe im just being volt happy enough i guess?

[Gunslinger]

With a D0 1.3-1.4V on the VTT should be plenty.

And stick with odd multi's when clocking, they seem to be much more stable than even numbers.

[thebanik]

Going to have to keep my eye on this thread, will update with my success/fail on the x58 platinum I got. Chipset runs REAL hot. First time I have needed a fan on a chipset cooler in YEARS.

I have used 2 MSI boards, Eclipse and the lower end Pro, same exact settings work on both the boards till 5148Mhz, so if you do need any help in settings give a holler........

[punx223]

I have used 2 MSI boards, Eclipse and the lower end Pro, same exact settings work on both the boards till 5148Mhz, so if you do need any help in settings give a holler........

i'll take anything i can get bro, this drives me nuts

[thebanik]

i'll take anything i can get bro, this drives me nuts

These are the settings that worked on Eclipse and Pro-E.

This is mostly for air overclocking which took 920 to almost 4900Mhz.

When using DICE I had to play with only CPU Vcore and IOH Volts(NB Volts) (Though used DICE on 950, hence the bclk was almost the same achieved using 920 on air and 950 on DICE, which is around 232 max)

As have been mentioned many a times, dont use even multipliers, its strange but true, somehow these i7's dont like high bclk and even multipliers.

VTT is not NB volts, IOH vcore is NB volts. Below I am mentioning the volts that should set you up, try keeping uncore at lower settings, MSI boards are not classifieds and do not run stably at higher uncores. Though @ lower clocks I have been able to run them at around 3800 but my board has gone to the dogs and was not able to test them with subzero cooling with every thing turned up.

For vcore you can go till 1.58V safely(check volts at bottom of the bios page). Dram as much as your sticks can take. IOH till 1.55V is what I have tried(had to use DICE palettes on NB sink though)

CPU Core : .320V
QPI /VTT : .330V
CPU PLL : 1.88V
DRam : 1.65V
IOH : 1.280V
ICH : 1.5V

Hope this helps.

[punx223]

so by vcore your saying add .320?

if so i will try those out... im beginning to wonder if maybe it just doesnt like this 3x1 gb set... theyre elpida hyper 2000 mhz cas 8 but i cannot get them to run 2000 cas 9

I can get them to run 1600 cas 7

as for uncore ive been keeping it double of my dram.

ive heard the deal with the odd multi.... should i try running turbo at 20X for a 21x multi or 19x multi? even whne setting 19x multi, when i enable turbo i do see it still sets a 21x multi for turbo.

[thebanik]

so by vcore your saying add .320?

if so i will try those out... im beginning to wonder if maybe it just doesnt like this 3x1 gb set... theyre elpida hyper 2000 mhz cas 8 but i cannot get them to run 2000 cas 9

I can get them to run 1600 cas 7

as for uncore ive been keeping it double of my dram.

ive heard the deal with the odd multi.... should i try running turbo at 20X for a 21x multi or 19x multi? even whne setting 19x multi, when i enable turbo i do see it still sets a 21x multi for turbo.

Yup add .320 to the VID, and if using DICE/LN2 then can add more depending on till what volts you wanna push...

As per my tests 1600 CL6-7-6 gives much better performance than 19xx CL7-8- and havent been able to run them higher even when trying CL8 or CL9.

I have seen Turbo boost of +2 multiplier only with 920 and not with the 950. The +2 multiplier would be active if only 1 core is loaded, so super pi is the only benchmark which gets benefited with the +2 multiplier, anything else and it drops to +1 multiplier......

Try running turbo with 20x multi.....

For uncore, double the Ram speed is the ideal way, but havent seen 4000 or more uncore on 920's on MSI's other than lucky noob?? or some other OCer from indonesia/sg, cant remember the name, so I guess its better you try running lower ram speed with tighter ram timings.....

btw x58 overclocking is so much more fun, so much to learn and understand, sadly all my mobos are either returned or broken, back to E8600 since last 1 month.......

[DrNip]

I have looked but couldn't find what mobo you are running? I saw you make reference to MSI but there was no confirmation on you using one.

[punx223]

Yup add .320 to the VID, and if using DICE/LN2 then can add more depending on till what volts you wanna push...

As per my tests 1600 CL6-7-6 gives much better performance than 19xx CL7-8- and havent been able to run them higher even when trying CL8 or CL9.

I have seen Turbo boost of +2 multiplier only with 920 and not with the 950. The +2 multiplier would be active if only 1 core is loaded, so super pi is the only benchmark which gets benefited with the +2 multiplier, anything else and it drops to +1 multiplier......

Try running turbo with 20x multi.....

For uncore, double the Ram speed is the ideal way, but havent seen 4000 or more uncore on 920's on MSI's other than lucky noob?? or some other OCer from indonesia/sg, cant remember the name, so I guess its better you try running lower ram speed with tighter ram timings.....

btw x58 overclocking is so much more fun, so much to learn and understand, sadly all my mobos are either returned or broken, back to E8600 since last 1 month.......

ouch.... yeah..


i got it past 4.4ghz last night just needed more volts and I was being a wuss with the voltage....

still not 3d stable but i think that will come with a lil more time.

[punx223]

I have looked but couldn't find what mobo you are running? I saw you make reference to MSI but there was no confirmation on you using one.

I am presently on the EX58-UD5


i was on the DFI but its sitting right now as it doesnt seem to like the D0... then again it is pending flash to the BETA bios, which i have seen good things about.